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Could I ask you a question? Is there some website trolls go to to find empty, bulls*** rhetoric and drivel to hide their evasions and lies?

 

Because the excuses all sound the same after a while.laugh.gif

 

Hey, BAC, Clem is here to save you by changing the subject.

 

I've been on topic the entire freaking day, moonbat. And as usual, when I cite facts and reality, you're AWOL.

 

Now, BAC, answer the question: where did you get your stupidazz definition of socialism?

 

1) From the dictionary and 2) from liberal-left usage of the term for literally decades.

 

So here's a question for you;

 

Why are you so stupid, ignorant and dishonest?:glare:

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I've been on topic the entire freaking day, moonbat. And as usual, when I cite facts and reality, you're AWOL.

 

 

 

1) From the dictionary and 2) from liberal-left usage of the term for literally decades.

 

So here's a question for you;

 

Why are you so stupid, ignorant and dishonest?:glare:

 

BAC, Clem's saved the day. He says you used Webster to define socialism. But wait, if so, your OP fails, since even a broad definition of socialism doesn't include Obama's policies.

 

Oh well, nice try Clem.

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BAC, Clem's saved the day. He says you used Webster to define socialism. But wait, if so, your OP fails, since even a broad definition of socialism doesn't include Obama's policies.

 

Oh well, nice try Clem.

The ONLY thing they can point to to be socialist is Obamacare, problem with that is Truman wanted Universal Care and THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION invented Obamacare...

 

Nah, they hate him cuz he is BLACK and absolutely no other reason

 

well, to be fair, they hate all libs or people who they think are libs, for the same reason the 9 yr old hates his cooler, better looking older brother...

 

BAC

 

lets put an end to this

 

read this

 

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2011/10/20/how-a-conservative-think-tank-invented-the-individual-mandate/

 

 

Heritage did put forward the idea of an individual mandate, though it predated HillaryCare by several years. We know this because we were there: In 1988-90, we were employed at Heritage as a public relations associate (a junior writer and editor), and we wrote at least one press release for a publication touting Heritage’s plan for comprehensive legislation to provide universal “quality, affordable health care.”

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The ONLY thing they can point to to be socialist is Obamacare, problem with that is Truman wanted Universal Care and THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION invented Obamacare...

 

Nah, they hate him cuz he is BLACK and absolutely no other reason

I see you are still running from my Challenge, CD.

 

What terrifies you about it?

 

That it might show how illogical you are (as if your endless squawking ... that's what CHICKENS do ... about RACISM) doesn't?

 

Maybe I should rename it the CD CHICKEN Challenge, just in your honor? :D

 

The rest of you might want to read this: http://pjmedia.com/mihaipacepa/2012/06/04/the-socialist-mask-of-marxism/ "The Socialist Mask of Marxism".

 

And don't worry, I won't forget to add a name now and then just to remind CD and the rest of the *liberals* here at LF what they are:

 

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:D

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I see you are still running from my Challenge, CD.

 

What terrifies you about it?

 

That it might show how illogical you are (as if your endless squawking ... that's what CHICKENS do ... about RACISM) doesn't?

 

Maybe I should rename it the CD CHICKEN Challenge, just in your honor? :D

 

The rest of you might want to read this: http://pjmedia.com/mihaipacepa/2012/06/04/the-socialist-mask-of-marxism/ "The Socialist Mask of Marxism".

 

And don't worry, I won't forget to add a name now and then just to remind CD and the rest of the *liberals* here at LF what they are:

 

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:D

 

 

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Not renovation ... additions.

 

You'll see lots more stories added to this building before this thread is over, LGU.

 

Even if you leftists are too CHICKEN to take my Challenge.

 

For example, maybe I should add Mike Klonsky's name to the list next.

 

Not that his inclusion should be a big surprise to you. I've already mentioned him.

 

I'm saving the surprises for when one of you gets enough guts to actually accept the Challenge.

 

Then you'll see what a skyscraper looks like.

 

And everyone will see the naked truth about you Obamaphiles:

 

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:D

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I see you are still running from my Challenge, CD.

 

What terrifies you about it?

 

That it might show how illogical you are (as if your endless squawking ... that's what CHICKENS do ... about RACISM) doesn't?

 

Maybe I should rename it the CD CHICKEN Challenge, just in your honor? :D

 

The rest of you might want to read this: http://pjmedia.com/mihaipacepa/2012/06/04/the-socialist-mask-of-marxism/ "The Socialist Mask of Marxism".

 

And don't worry, I won't forget to add a name now and then just to remind CD and the rest of the *liberals* here at LF what they are:

 

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:D

do you love to be beaten senseless?

 

you are a liar, you are a traitor, you are lying about my President

 

Nazi's did that, are you a Nazi?

 

yes landru, closed...but I see that the rightwing nazi's are attempting to hang the socialist label on Obama cuz they fear him..too bad he has never done a single thing remotely socialist

 

NOT ONE NOT EVER

and I say too bad cuz i am a democratic socialist

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yes landru, closed...

You wish.

 

No, this thread is far from over, CD, because I'm going to be

 

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slaughtering some liberal chickens with fact after fact after fact. :D

 

i am a democratic socialist

Ah yes ...

 

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So true, so true.

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Bottom line:

 

The Black Man in the White House is driving the racists out of their already crazed minds.

 

The racists (read GOP) are going absolutely batchit CRAZEEEEE!

 

I actually get a sort of perverse pleasure out of watching the psychopaths and sociopaths on the right get hysterical to the point of apoplexy.

 

We REALLY need to offer bunkers in Berlin with loaded pistols for the psychos on the right when Obama wins a second term. We should encourage the right to commit suicide (like their crazy ancestor) with their Second Amendment pistols and get their defective genes out of the human gene pool.

 

Thank you for the belly laugh :wub: that post made it worth reading this forum today :lol:

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Hey there, Kentucky Democrat ...

 

Good to see a new face.

 

Maybe you have the guts to accept my Challenge?

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Now how timely is this? :D

 

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/04/Exclusive-The-Vetting-Senator-Barack-Obama-Attend-Bill-Ayers-Barbecue-July-4-2005

 

EXCLUSIVE - THE VETTING - SENATOR BARACK OBAMA ATTENDED BILL AYERS BARBECUE, JULY 4, 2005

 

… snip …

 

The fact that Obama socialized with Ayers and Dorn contradicts the statement that Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt gave the New York Times in 2008: 

 

Mr. LaBolt said the men first met in 1995 through the education project, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, and have encountered each other occasionally in public life or in the neighborhood. He said they have not spoken by phone or exchanged e-mail messages since Mr. Obama began serving in the United States Senate in January 2005 and last met more than a year ago when they bumped into each other on the street in Hyde Park.

That statement now appears to be "Clintonian" in its dance around the truth. Obama and Ayers may not have emailed or spoken by phone, but they had, we now know, spoken face to face--at least on July 4, 2005, and perhaps at other times as well.

And I already proved the the first part of LaBolt's statement, that they first met in 1995, is a transparent lie, and that they encountered each other far more often than "occasionally".

 

Now think about this folks ...

 

Why would Obama's campaign have to lie about this, unless they recognized that associating with Ayers was something bad?

 

And why won't LF's Obama supporters take my Challenge?

 

Could it be they agree that being socialist and/or communist is a bad thing?

 

After all, if they really thought it a good thing, they'd be happy to admit that Obama has far more socialist and communist people in his inner circle than any other President in history.

 

:D

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LGU, if you REALLY thought it a good to have lots of socialist/communist associations, you'd be happy to admit that Obama has far more socialists and communists in his inner circle than any other President in history. :D

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Anyone who think Obama isn't even the most socialist REPUBLICAN

Do you want to try again? Because that's incomprehensible.

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THIS THREAD IS QUARANTINED

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typical liberal, trying to force their will on other ppl. if you don't like the thread, then stay out, fool.

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Do you want to try again? Because that's incomprehensible.

I figure a lot of stuff are like that for ya :rolleyes:

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I figure a lot of stuff are like that for ya :rolleyes:

 

 

no,i read your post also. the words are easily recognizable, but the meaning is not. and not because the thought was deep, or logical, but simply becauseit flat out made no damn sense.

 

i am sure that happens often for you.

 

and you mean "stuff IS like that..."

 

see what we mean?

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Mike Klonsky is name #4 on my list for Obama.

 

How much influence did Klonsky have on Obama?

 

What makes me identify him as one of Obama's inner circle?

 

Well, he certainly had enough influence to convince Obama, as co-chair of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, to hand him a significant amount of money (over a million dollars) for his Small School's Network/Smalls Schools Workshop (SSN/SSW) (http://web.archive.org/web/20020922153719/www.chi-challenge.org/implement3.htm ). He must have made Obama a believer about that effort. Don't you think?

 

And even in 2008, he still had enough influence left to be allowed to post a blog on Obama's 2008 Presidential campaign website about "social justice" and education, with a link to it directly from Michelle Obama's page. Not many folks had that sort of influence. And that blog would probably still be there if conservatives hadn't noticed Klonsky's background. But they did, so the Obama campaign promptly shut down the blog, removed all of the posts made by Klonsky, and pretended like he never existed.

 

But the cat was already out of the bag.

 

Now what was it about Klonksy's background that was so problematic for the Obamas? That would cause such extreme measures during the campaign?

 

I already mentioned that Mike's dad was a hardcore Communist ... so hardcore that he was actually CONVICTED in the 1950s of advocating the forcible overthrow of the US government. And Mike followed in his father's footsteps (like perhaps Obama did his father's). Klonksy said during a talk in 2007 that "I was born into the Communist Party". And he became a very hardcore Communist as a result. He didn't just dabble in it.

 

No, he was so hardcore that he formed a Maoist organization, the "October League" which became the "Communist Party (Marxist Leninist)".

 

He was so hardcore that he was among the very first Americans allowed to visit Red China by Mao. They liked what he had to say.

 

He was so hardcore that he was toasted by senior Beijing leadership … the mass murdering kind. They must have really liked what he had to say.

 

He was so hardcore that he came to believe that even Red China wasn't sufficiently committed to Communism. Now THAT is hardcore.

 

And with all that history, Ayers and Obama still chose him to improve the education of America's children and their teachers. Go figure …

 

Here's what Klonsky himself said about the goals of that effort:

 

http://www.gettingpaidtowatch.com/2008/08/24/marxist-indoctrination-was-funded-by-ayersobama-to-mike-klonskys-small-schools-workshop/

 

uccessful social justice education ensures that teachers strike a balance between debating sociopolitical problems that affect children’s lives and teaching them academic basics on which they will be tested. A science teacher can plant an urban garden, allowing students to learn about plant biology, the imbalance in how fresh produce is distributed and how that affects the health of community residents. An English teacher can explore misogyny or materialism in American culture through the lens of hip-hop lyrics. Or as Rico Gutstein, a professor of mathematics education at the University of Illinois, Chicago, suggests, a math teacher can run probability simulations using real data to understand the dynamics behind income inequality or racial profiling. These are “examples of lessons where you can really learn the math basics,” he says, “but the purpose of learning the math actually becomes an entree into, and a deeper understanding of, the political ramifications of the issue.”

In short, forget the three Rs … in Klonsky's world the purpose of education was/is to turn kids into little socialists or even communists (by promoting redistribution of wealth in the metaphor of "produce", a dislike of the "materialism" inherent in American/capitalist culture, and by teaching young minds that America is unequal and racist) and turn teachers into preachers of that philosophy.

 

Now is it possible that Obama didn't know Klonsky's resume and views when he gave him the CAC cash? How did Mike Klonsky enter Obama's inner circle?

 

Well, to begin with, he was one of Bill Ayers' and Bernardine Dohrn's comrades in the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS). In fact, he was the SDS national chairman and a "demonstration organizer". It's hard to believe that Obama, being a student of history and an organizer of demonstrations himself, wouldn't have known this. Wouldn't have known that when Dohrn and Ayers moved towards the violent tactics of the Weather Underground, Klonsky instead became a committed Maoist, championing a regime that killed tens of millions through it's communist policies.

 

No, before Obama would have granted Klonsky so much money, he'd surely have checked Klonsky's credentials. Otherwise, we'd have to think Obama was just plain incompetent and hardly qualified to be President of the US. Right? So Obama would have known that when the Communist movement of the 70s died in the 80s, Klonsky went to graduate school to major in (you guessed it!) education before moving to Chicago.

 

And surely Obama would have known why Klonsky was recruited in 1991 by his old friend Bill Ayers to head up an Ayers' creation … the Small Schools Workshop. He'd have known that Ayers and Klonsky were close given SSW's offices were in the same Department of Education building at the University of Illinois Chicago Circle Campus as Ayers' office. Heck, documents prove that Obama himself had an office on the same floor of the same building as Klonsky (the one where CAC and SSW both got their mail) for almost three years.

 

Sorry, but it stretches credulity to think that Obama was unaware of Klonsky's communist history, just as it's ludicrous to believe that Obama was unaware of Ayers' radical background. And yet Obama still gave Klonsky several million dollars to promote what I've already demonstrated is just a code word for communism … "social justice".

 

And given the 2008 Obama campaign's willingness to host Klonsky's blog, and Michelle's own link to that blog off her webpage, it's hard to believe that the Obamas were unaware of Klonsky activities after CAC (which failed miserably to improve test scores in Chicago's schools, by the way). 

 

For example, surely Obama knew Klonsky was a co-signer of the "Bold Approach" agenda (http://www.boldapproach.org/ ), which preaches the notion of "social justice" in education … massive redistribution of education resources to pay for 400 years of accumulated "education debt". And if you open your eyes you'll see that "bold approach" has become another watch word for the sort of programs being pushed by the far, far left. For example, here you'll find it used in the context of their Climate/GreenJob agenda: http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/globallaborinstitute/research/upload/More-than-Green-Jobs-Sweeney.pdf . :rolleyes:

 

Surely in 2008, Obama knew that Klonsky was a charter board member of the Movement for a Democratic Society (MDS), an organization formed in 2007, along Bernardine Dorne and over a dozen other hardcore socialists and communists (http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2008/09/obama-file-30-former-terrorists-bill.html ). How radical is this organization? Well MDS was a coalition of DSA (Democratic Socialists of America), the CPUSA (Communist Party USA) and CCDS (Committees of Correspondence for Democracy & Socialism) plus several former leaders of SDS and the Weather Underground. Does that tell you anything? And former members of SDS and the present day MDS came together for a reunion in November of 2007 in Michigan. Of course, Bernadine Dohrns and Bill Ayers were there, and Dohrn spoke to them about the "overthrow of capitalism", visits to Chavez's Venezuelan workers paradise, and their building a "new movement".

 

Who do you think MDS supported for President in 2008? Take a guess. And who do you think MDS is supporting now? Take a guess.

 

Last november they published this statement in support of Occupy Wall Street: http://freenadler4.com/mds/?p=54 . They described it as spreading "like prairie fire". Ring a bell? Read that and you'll be reading the same sort of progaganda that Communist movements have published throughout history. Why it even ends with a cute slogan, right out of their textbooks … "Solidarity and revolutionary love!!!". Then tell me that Klonsky, who presumably is still a board member, isn't still a Communist. And try to convince me that Obama wouldn't have known about this back in 2008.

 

Then there is an organization called Progressives for Obama, which was spawned by MDS and also consists of members of various socialist and communist organizations (CPUSA, CCDS, DSA, SDS, WU). It operated during the 2008 Presidential Campaign on the Obama Campaign website. It's founder and webmaster was Carl Davidson, a communist and charter member of MDS (you'll hear more about him eventually, too). Carl Davidson has a long running relationship with William Ayers and Mike Klonsky. And guess who are listed as endorsers of the PFO (http://keywiki.org/index.php/Progressives_for_Obama )? Klonsky's brother Fred and his wife Susan. And how radical are they? To give you an inkling, Susan wrote this in 2006 praising the work of former CPUSA (Communist Party USA) member Dorothy Healey: http://web.mac.com/richardhealey/iWeb/Dorothy/Comments/C11589BF-7FDF-435C-B2E3-2ADD1A871749.html . And Mike signed it too. Small world, isn't it? And yet Obama didn't know when Michelle linked to his campaign blog?

 

What you see here folks is evidence of a big shell game designed to hide the ball … to hide Obama's real base … hardcore socialists and communists. Changing spots. Changing the names of organizations. And trying to delete history.

 

So does anyone here want to argue that Klonsky wasn't a communist or had no influence on Obama? Or shall I just post the new score in my Challenge to the *collective* you … 4 to NOTHING. :D

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Mike Klonsky is name #4 on my list for Obama.

 

How much influence did Klonsky have on Obama?

 

Apparently a lot since Obama also agrees that smaller schools are better. What rational person doesn't (except the tea baggers)?

 

What's your point. That small schools are a communist plot?

 

BWHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

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What's your point.

My point? 4-NOTHING.

 

That's the current score.

 

And just think how many days there are to the election. :D

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Nothing you guys believe is real, all of it is lies.

 

And there you have the sum total of Cant Decides debating skills.

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My point? 4-NOTHING.

 

That's the current score.

 

And just think how many days there are to the election. :D

 

Yes, the point being that Obama has agreed with some good ideas from a professor of education on the value of smaller schools.

 

Wow -- earth shattering.

 

You need to work on this meme.

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Yes, the point being that Obama has agreed with some good ideas from a professor of education on the value of smaller schools.

So you think CAC accomplished something besides indoctrinating kids in socialist and communist notions?

 

Well you are wrong.

 

A study done by the Consortium on Chicago School Research concluded "among the schools it supported, the Challenge had little impact on school improvement and student outcomes, with no statistically significant differences between Annenberg and non-Annenberg schools in rates of achievement gain, classroom behavior, student self-efficacy, and social competence."

 

In other words, it was a waste of money and only damaged those children's view of capitalism and America.

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Perhaps the reason that Cant Decide (and LF's other liberals or whatever they like to call themselves) won't accept my Challenge is the knowledge that I could easily offer a name a day till the election and they can't.

 

That certainly would intimidate if I were in their shoes. :D

 

And speaking of names, why don't I add the name William Ayers to my list. It's not like CD or LF's other Obama sycophants don't already know he'll be on my list. So call it practice for if I have to get serious about the challenge. :)

 

Now I wonder if they'll try to argue he's not a socialist/communist or that he's not been in Obama's inner circle?

 

Maybe CD has an unnamed friend of Ayers that he'd like to claim knows I'm wrong in claiming Ayers is a socialist or communist or in claiming Ayers and Obama have a long, intimate history together? :P

 

In any case, here goes ...

 

William Ayers is a hardcore far left radical and anarchist. He was a member of the SDS (a very radical organization filled with self-proclaimed socialists and communists) and a founder of the Weatherman Underground (an even more radical group). Between 1970 and 1974, the Weatherman took credit for 12 bombings (others are suspected), including one at the United States Capitol and another at the Pentagon. In April of 2002, Ayers said "I considered myself partly an anarchist then and I consider myself partly an anarchist now. I mean I'm as much an anarchist as I am a Marxist which is to say I find a lot of the ideas in anarchism appealing." He sounds as confused as he did back then.

 

Now he calls himself a "small c" communist, but back then the SDS and Weatherman Underground openly proclaimed their goal was world Communism (and not the "small c" variety). Back then Ayers wrote a manifesto titled "Prairie Fire" (http://www.zombietime.com/prairie_fire/ ) in which he said "We are a guerrilla organization. We are communist women and men, underground in the United States for more than four years." He wrote "We need a revolutionary communist party in order to lead the struggle, give coherence and direction to the fight, seize power and build the new society." In 2001 he summed up the Weatherman philosophy for a friendly journalist as follows "Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents—that's where it's really at." So it sounds like he was pretty radical back then and very much a "big C" communist.

 

But Obama's and Ayers' defenders say he's changed since then. Now he is just a simple professor at a university doing good deeds for America. But has he really changed?

 

What if I told you Ayers still openly calls for the end of capitalism and American imperialism ... which just happen to be the same things the "big C" communists wanted?

 

What if I told you Ayers had "Prairie Fire" republished as a book in 2006, coinciding with the start of Obama's run for President? Was he just an opportunist or is he still pushing his philosophy on a new generation?

 

What if I told you that he told the press in a 2001 interview that "I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough” (http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/August-2001/No-Regrets/index.php?cp=2&si=1 ).

 

What if I told you that when asked in that same interview (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=25166 ) if he would set more bombs today, his response was, "I don't want to discount the possibility"?

 

What if I told you in March of 2012, Ayers spoke to a group of Occupiers and said “I Get Up Every Morning And Think… Today I’m Going To End Capitalism” (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2d4_1333223471 )?

 

Comments like those, and many others, lead me to believe that Ayers hasn't really changed.

 

I think, like Van Jones, he has merely changed his spots … changed the tactics he is using to see the same radical ends become reality. Disguising himself to make himself more presentable to a gullible public.

 

After his teacher girlfriend, Diana Oughton, in the Weather Underground died (while making a bomb to kill soldiers at a party, which is what put Ayers and rest of the WU on the run), he decided to become an *educator* himself. That can be honorable profession … but I think the thought of teaching radicalism and communist notions to the children of the very parents he advocated killing was his idea of the ultimate joke.

 

So, with degrees in hand, he began working as chair of the Alliance for Better Chicago Schools (ABCs), a lobbying group started by his dad that was pushing for the reform of Chicago schools … in leftist ways, of course. That effort succeeded so that in 1994, he was put in charge of organizing and running a 5 year, 100-150 million dollar program to reform education in Chicago, called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC). It was an effort that focused on teaching "social justice" in the classroom.

 

Now long before Glen Beck entered the TV world, the "social justice" philosophy was being identified for what it is … a code word for communism. Long before Beck got his Fox News show, Ayers and his associates were promoting "social justice" in our schools. It has it's foundations in the writings of Brazilian Marxist/socialist, Paolo Freire. Read these articles to learn more Ayers and others have used the concept to make communist notions appealing to our children: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/guides/Z-Social%20Justice-Code%20for%20Communism.htm "Social Justice: Code for Communism" and http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/04/bill_ayers_and_the_subversion.html "Bill Ayers and the Subversion of Education".

 

A name that will eventually be added to my list is Mike Klonksy. His father was a communist who was convicted in the 1950s of advocating the forcible overthrow of the United States government. Well, like father, like son. Mike was and is a marxist who was one of the few allowed to visit Red China before it opened it's doors to the world. That's how hardcore he was. Well during the Chicago Anneburg Challenge, Klonsky was awarded a big grant to teach Chicago's children about "social justice". It was and still is his number one issue. In fact, Klonsky had a webpage on Obama's Presidential campaign website devoted primarily to "social justice". And the Obama's must has agreed that was inportant since it was one of the few webpages that Michelle Obama's web page linked. Only when Klonsky's communist affiliations were finally noticed by conservatives did his webpage and Michelle's link to it disappear.

 

Now are you folks still not convinced about Ayers use of "social justice" being a watch word for communism? Well, here's how Van Jones defined the term:

 

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2011/01/van-jones-defin.html

 

 

Now if that isn't the ideology espoused by communists, what is?

 

Or why don't I just quote a communist who isn't in Obama's inner circle to help you understand the relationship between the "social justice" and communism:

 

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-07-11-castro-address_N.htm

 

 

Or how about this from the National Association of Scholars (NAS):

 

http://209.123.244.94/polArticles.cfm?Keyword_Desc=The%20Scandal%20of%20Social%20Work%20Education

 

 

Gee, isn't that what socialists and communists want … state-sponsored redistribution of income? ;)

 

Why even the Communist Party USA lists "social justice" as it's goal:

 

http://www.cpusa.org/article/static/511/

 

 

Does anyone really believe the Communist party is interested in "peace" or "democracy". So what's left in what they fight for but the pursuit of economic and "social justice". Isn't that just saying that "social justice" is a code word for Communism?

 

Satisfied?

 

Now in addition to "social justice", Ayers was explicit about the need to teach children that America is racist and militaristic, and that the capitalist system is unfair and oppressive. Again, these were/are all themes of "big C" Communists.

 

Indeed it wasn't long ago (2006) that Ayers attended an education forum in Venezuala and stood on a stage before a large crowd with communist dictator Hugo Chavez by his side. He gave a rousing speech in which he said he supported “the profound educational reforms under way here in Venezuela under the leadership of President Chávez. We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution. . . . I look forward to seeing how you continue to overcome the failings of capitalist education as you seek to create something truly new and deeply humane.” Ayers concluded his speech by raising his fist and shouting “Viva Presidente Chávez! Viva la Revolucion Bolivariana! Hasta la Victoria Siempre!”

 

And don't underestimate Ayers' influence in the education area in general. He wasn't just a professor teaching small groups in his classes. He became the Vice President of Curriculum Studies for the American Education Research Association (AERA) … the nation's leading School of Education professional association. It's an organization that pushes the "social justice" agenda in it's publications. Ayers has written book after book pushing the concept to teachers, and through them vast numbers of our children.

 

Here's a good article that shows the sort of impact that the social justice movement, via Ayers ("the pedagogy’s best known popularizer" as it describes him), has had on school curriculums around the country ...

 

http://ednews.org/articles/30304/1/The-Social-Justice-doctrine-preached-by-radical-educators-such-as-William-Ayers-has-infiltrated-North-Carolinas-flagship-education-school/Page1.html

 

And if you don't like that source, then try this ... from the Voice of the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA. In Ayers' own words:

 

http://rwor.org/a/063/ayers-en.html

 

 

Did you folks get that? He just said schools are embedded in a society that has "the exact opposite values culturally and politically and socially from the values" people like him are "trying to build in a classroom." And what is the exact opposite of a competitive, free market, liberty-loving, capitalist society like ours? A communist one, that's what. Ayers has been trying to build the values of a communist society in our children's classrooms.

 

So considering all the above, I think I'm safe in concluding that William Ayers was and is a hardcore socialist and communist … and a dangerous one at that. Any of you liberals (or your friends who know Ayers personally) want to disagree?

 

If not, then I'm only left with the task of proving that he and Obama have had a close relationship … one that is inner circle as I defined it in my Challenge to you liberals.

 

I should start by noting the Obama Presidential campaign denied any close ties between Obama and Bill Ayers. During the Philadelphia Democratic Primary debate, George Stephanopoulos asked Obama to explain his relationship to Ayers and all Obama would say is:

 

 

He was just "some guy in the neighborhood." But that claim quickly fell apart when the campaign had to admit that they first met in late 1995 … when Ayers and his terrorist wife, Bernardine Dohrn, hosted, in their own home, a campaign event in support of Obama’s campaign for the Illinois State Senate … i.e., his first political office. Here's a CBSNews story (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/20/politics/politico/main4029480.shtml ) stating that "Obama first met Ayers in 1995, during Obama's first state Senate campaign, and the two met with a small group of local liberal activists at Ayers' house."

 

The dishonesty in both Obama's disclaimer and the reporting by the mainstream media is stunning. First, the group that gathered in the home of the Ayers' wasn't just a group of "liberal activists". They were hardcore socialists and communists. The extreme left. One of those who was present was Dr. Quentin Young, an admitted Communist. And he is on record saying Obama and Ayers were "friends". Another was Alice Palmer. Nine years before she joined Obama in the Ayers' home, Palmer was the only African-American journalist to travel to the Soviet Union to attend the 27th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. After that visit, she openly praised the Soviet Union in an article that she wrote. Yet another attendee was Maria Warren. She's blogged that she thought Obama was "too conservative". Care to guess her politics? Hint: she goes by "red rabbit" on her blog. ;)

 

But an even more glaring dishonesty is that Obama and Ayers' history goes back to when Obama was still in college at Columbia University ... in the early 1980s. According to Allen Hulton, the letter carrier who delivered mail to the Ayers’ home at that time, Obama visited the home of Ayer's parents back then (http://02ce1ab.netsolhost.com/KingHarvest/?p=1245 ). Hulton has stated under oathhttp://www.wnd.com/files/2012/03/HultonDocumentsREDACTED.pdf … that he met Obama outside the Ayers' house and that Obama told him that he was there to thank the Ayers for supporting his education. He says that Mrs. Ayers told him that her family had been helping out a "foreign, black student.” A foreign student? Hmmm … but that's a topic for another thread.

 

Hulton also had an encounter with Tom Ayers (Bill's dad) that he said left him thinking the senior Ayers was a marxist himself. Gee, perhaps I should add Tom Ayers to my list? Nah, I won't need his name to win my Challenge. :)

 

In 1983, when Obama graduated from Columbia University, he moved to Chicago to head up the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a fledgling community organization modeled after similar groups started by Saul Alinsky (who was a socialist/communist, by the way). The DCP had secured a grant from the Woods Fund to finance the hiring of Obama.

 

Then, in 1988, in response to a summit on the poor quality of education in Chicago, Ayers' father founded the Alliance for Better Chicago Schools (ABC). Tom Ayers included Obama in the coalition as the DCP’s organizer, and made his son Obama's contact in ABC. Obviously, Obama began working with Bill Ayers much, much earlier than the Obama campaign and liberal mainstream media ever admitted to the public.

 

What better explanation for how, starting in 1994, Obama and Ayers ended up working side by side as co-chairs of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, after ABC succeeded in getting it funded?

 

Of course they knew one another before that 1995 campaign meeting in the home of the Bill Ayers. Now how many of you Obama sycophants can face this demonstrable fact?

 

If you can't, I say your belief in him is no less silly than the belief of 911 Truthers about what caused the collapse of the Twin Towers. :D

 

In fact, there is considerable evidence to suggest that in this same time frame Bill Ayers was involved in writing Obama's memoir Dreams From My Father. To see that evidence, read these: http://www.cashill.com/intellect_fraud/yavelow.htm , http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/06/breakthrough_on_the_authorship_1.html , http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/ayers_admits_writing_dreams_1.html , http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/09/andersen_claimstwo_sources_for.html , and http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/03/ayers_affirms_he_wrote_dreams.html .

 

In any case, from 1994 to 1999, Obama and Ayers, as co-chairs of CAC, made grants to all sorts of left-leaning educational organizations. A marxist, Mike Klonsky, was one of the biggest recipients of their largess. And as noted earlier, these were grants designed to contaminate our children with anti-capitalist and "social justice" (i.e., communist) notions.

 

Another sign of just how tight Ayers and Obama were is that in late 1995, Obama began(!) his political career by holding a campaign event in the Hyde Park home of Ayers and Dohrn. The Obama camp at least admitted this event occurred, but since then has tried to diminish it's importance to Obama. But I think one could fairly say that Ayers was *instrumental* in introducing Obama into the world of politics. Which would makes him … what? … inner circle?

 

After CAC, Obama and Ayers continued serving together on the board of directors of the Woods Fund into the early 2000's. While they did, Ayers posed standing on an American flag for an article in Chicago Magazine titled "No Regrets" (http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/August-2001/No-Regrets/index.php?cp=1&si=0#artanc ). Are we to believe Obama didn't subscribe to that magazine even though he represented a district in that city? That he didn't know about this incident? Do you liberals really expect us to believe such nonsense?

 

What other connections did the Obamas and Ayers have that would suggest they had a close, inner-circle relationship … one that would influence Obama's thoughts? Here's a few:

 

- In 1987 Michelle Robinson was hired as a summer associate by the law firm of Sidley and Austin in Chicago. From 1988 to 1991, she worked as an associate at the firm. In 1989, while Barack was attending Harvard, Michelle first met Barack when she was assigned to mentor him when he was a summer associate at Sidley and Austin. Sidley and Austin's managing partner was a well known personal friend of Ayers' father, Thomas Ayers. Bernadine Dohrn worked at this firm as well ... as a para-legal. So Obama met his wife while she was an intern at the firm which simultaneously employed Ayers' wife. What a coincidence. :rolleyes:

 

- In 1991, Michelle quit the law firm to work for Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley. Mayor Daley said he knew Ayers well, and that Obama and Ayers were "friends". And why wouldn't they be friends, since they lived in the same neighborhood just a few blocks from each other, shared the same politics (social justice, pro-Palestinian, etc), their wives worked at the same law firm, they hung out in the same liberal/progressive circles, and they worked together on numerous related projects? Of course they were friends … and anyone who asks you to believe otherwise is simply blowing smoke to try and hide their relationship.

 

- Ayers called himself a "family friend" of the Obamas in an education book Ayers wrote in 1997. And when Ayers needed a glowing recommendation for that book, Obama happily provided one. Has Obama done that for anyone else? In fact, Obama appeared with Ayers on numerous academic panels, including one organized by Michelle Obama to discuss that Ayers' book.

 

- Even in 2002, just seven days after Ayers made the statement I quoted earlier about being an anarchist, Obama joined Ayers in a panel discussion at a gathering at the University of Illinois-Chicago on working toward social change and an extremely liberal agenda. And despite all these various contacts, we're asked to believe that Obama had no clue about Ayers' radical background until 2008 when it became an issue in the Presidential campaign? :rolleyes:

 

- Contrary to what Obama's statement right after Ayers surfaced as an issue in the 2008 campaign implies, Obama did get "official endorsement" from Ayers several times in his earlier campaigns for political office. Does Ayers endorse people he doesn't know or trust? I rather doubt it. To me, that too suggests a close, influential friendship.

 

- Indeed, Ayers has stated that he and Obama emailed one another and spoke on the phone often prior to their relationship being exposed in 2008. They claim they don't now. But who would know? Who really believes that two men who were clearly close and spoke often have had no contact since their public break? Especially when their lies about not knowing each other are so obvious? Read all the above and try to tell us with a straight face that Ayers was being honest when in November 2008 he told an interviewer that he knew Obama "only slightly" … that his "relationship with Obama was probably like that of thousands of others in Chicago"? Me thinks they protest too much.

 

- After Obama took office, there were two entries in the White House visitor logs that were released with the name "William Ayers". Of course, the Whitehouse claimed these were "other" William Ayers, without actually identifying which "other" Ayers. However, the WH later had to admit that those logs are incomplete (

). They don't include a half million visitors in the first 9 months, nor all visitors to the First Family quarters. And some of the visits by important people are disguised by using their underlings names. And it was reported that the White House often met with "lobbyists" outside the White House in places where the Secret Service keeps no records. So seriously, folks, do you liberals really believe that Obama hasn't continued his long-standing relationship with William Ayers after entering the WhiteHouse? Does your gullibility have no limits whatsoever?

 

The truth is that the ONLY reason Obama publically divorced himself from Ayers during the campaign (and since) is because Ayers' relationship suddenly became problematic. Then, Obama's chief strategist David Axelrod claimed (while on CNN) that Obama didn't even know about Ayers' radical past. And then Obama communications Chief Robert Gibbs confirmed that. But do rank and file Democrats still really buy that transparent lie?

 

Are you Obama supporters so gullible to think that Obama, with all the connections I noted above, and all his supposed intelligence, didn't know about Ayers' past until the middle of the Presidential campaign? Especially when this "I didn't really know him" claim is the same claim made about Wright and Tony Rezko and Van Jones when their pasts came to light?

 

We might buy that excuse once ... but do you really expect us to believe it over and over and over? If Obama really is this clueless about those closest to him, or has lied so transparently about his relationship with Ayers, perhaps you folks have made a serious mistake putting him into the Oval Office? Perhaps you should reconsider that support now?

 

Finally, what evidence do we have that Ayers actually has influenced Obama once he was elected to Oval Office?

 

For starters, Obama talks about "social justice" and many of the other issues that Ayers championed (and still champions) all the time. Do liberals actually believe that Obama could have worked side by side as co-chair with Ayers for 5 years on a project promoting social justice and not have had a lot of Ayers' radicalism rub off on him? Do liberals actually believe they could have worked and conversed together for over a decade and Ayers radical agenda not have influenced Obama?

 

In fact, I think the fact that Obama chose as his Secretary of Education a man named Arne Duncan, who ran the same school district that Obama/Ayers' Chicago Annenberg Challenge sought to reform, is proof of Ayers' influence. Because Duncan is a fan of "social justice" and socialism. Recently he said "This is a fight to me that's about a lot more than education. It's really a fight for social justice." That sounds just like Ayers. And one of Duncan's key efforts to enact "social justice" since then involves a push for IB (International Baccalaureate) schools (http://royalheir.blogspot.com/2010/08/un-moves-into-public-schools.html ). Take a real close look at IB schools and ask yourself if Duncan isn't indeed pushing the socialist agenda that Ayers championed.

 

I probably could list a few more facts to convince, but if the above hasn't done so already, I'd probably be wasting my time. So let me just close by asking …

 

Do any of you leftists want to claim I haven't proven my case that Ayers was an inner circle associate of Obama's?

 

Because unless you do, and you offer sourced material to prove he wasn't, I think you now owe me three names of hardcore socialists/communists for whichever President you finally decide to put up against my choice of Obama.

 

And if you won't do that, I can only conclude you are scaredy cats … like this one:

 

scaredy-cat.jpg

 

Why do you oppose redistribution of income ? You can't have a healthy economy when there too much wealth at the top in the hands of the very few, instead of more income in the hands of a large middle class. If you own a business, who do you think is going to buy your stuff /

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