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In case you folks missed it, I've offered Cant Decide a challenge.

 

Because he seems to think Obama is not the most socialist/communist we've ever had in the Whitehouse ... while I contend that Obama is ... by far.

 

My challenge was that we each take turns with the President of our choice, mine being Obama, and start naming inner circle members who were or still are hardcore socialists or communists.

 

And we take turns until one of us can't think of another name.

 

I bet Cant Decide that he'd run out of names before I do.

 

By inner circle I mean close work associates, family members, close friends, mentors, advisors, influential supporters and direct underlings.

 

People that Obama through life has been being closely associated with, and viewed/views in a positive way.

 

And I said he'd have to be ready to defend his choices because I might challenge them. Just as he had the right to challenge mine.

 

And then I named my first name, Van Jones, and asked if he wanted to challenge his being a hardcore socialist or communist, closely associated with Obama, and viewed by Obama positively (at least until thrown under the bus)?

 

And it looked for a moment like Cant Decide had accepted my challenge because he tried to argue that Van Jones was not a hardcore socialist or communist associated with Obama.

 

Of course I quickly dispelled that notion with fact after fact after fact.

 

And I guess I scared Cant Decide off, because he then RAN. :rolleyes:

 

And he's been running ever since. ;)

 

I even tried spicing up the offer.

 

I wagered my presence on this forum against his, offering to leave if he found a President who had more socialist/communist inner circle members than Obama.

 

Of course, fair is fair. I insisted that he make the same agreement … to leave the forum if he accepted that bet and lost.

 

But even that wonderful prize wasn't enough to get him to take the challenge.

 

So now I've decided perhaps public shaming can do it. :D

 

So how about it, Cant Decide? Want to play?

 

Pick the President you're going to match against Obama, and then post your first name.

 

Or can't you decide?

 

Do you need more proof I'm serious about my challenge, Cant Decide?

 

You want to hear a second name before you take the challenge?

 

How about Marilyn Katz? She was in the news today.

 

She was a campaign bundler for Obama in 2008 and goes way back with the Obamas. She's definitely inner circle.

 

Indeed, Obama was at a fundraiser hosted by her for him on June 1st:

 

http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/01/after-bad-jobs-report-obama-parties-with-radicals/

 

June 1, 2012

 

After bad jobs report, Obama parties with radicals

 

On the heels of a depressing jobs report, Barack Obama is raising $5 million at fundraisers in Chicago this Friday – including one co-hosted by Marilyn Katz.

But why do I name her?

 

Well, as noted in the above, the NYTimes (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/11/us/politics/11chicago.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all ) said

 

As a leader of Students for a Democratic Society then, Ms. Katz organized Vietnam War protests, throwing nails in the street to thwart the police.

A LEADER of SDS. Now you know what SDS was, don't you, Cant Decide?

 

It was an extremely radical, PRO-communist/socialist organization. Indeed, many of the top members of SDS were the children of parents who were Communist Party members and communist activists. Lots and lots of socialists and communists were in it, because it was founded by members of William Ayers' Weather Underground … and you know they were EXTREME. Yes, the same small-"c" communist William Ayers that Obama had a close working relationship with for more than a decade and who considered Obama a good friend. (I'll have more to say about him later, if you take my challenge. ;))

 

And do you know what many veterans of SDS now call themselves? "Progressives for Obama". Different spots, but the same animal with the same goals. And very much inner circle.

 

And you know something else about Marilyn Katz? She helped admitted communist Quentin Young help found an organization called the New America Movement (NAM), which later merged with the Democratic Socialists of America. (Quentin Young is another name you'll hear more about. ;))

 

I'm telling you, Katz was and is HARDCORE socialist/communist.

 

And very much in Obama's inner circle. She helped Valerie Jarrett, Obama's most intimate and closest adviser and friend, get her start way back when in Chicago. (And if you take my challenge, we'll eventually get to talking about Jarrett, too. :D)

 

Katz was also a member of Michelle's social circle, and has visited the Whitehouse. And radical as they come.

 

Now Cant Decide, I know you don't want to participate in my Obama Commie challenge, but do you really think I can't play without you? :D

 

P.S. Now you have to name 2 names. :P

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dude you need fkn help. they have pills now

 

the big black boogieman is not out to get you...

 

You do not need the tin foil hat to block the satellites from reading your mind.

 

beer bubbles come from carbonation...not from magical seahorses that live in beer and swim to your liver

 

 

 

it is going to be okay

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In case you folks missed it, I've offered Cant Decide a challenge.

 

Because he seems to think Obama is not the most socialist/communist we've ever had in the Whitehouse ... while I contend that Obama is ... by far.

 

My challenge was that we each take turns with the President of our choice, mine being Obama, and start naming inner circle members who were or still are hardcore socialists or communists.

 

And we take turns until one of us can't think of another name.

 

I bet Cant Decide that he'd run out of names before I do.

 

By inner circle I mean close work associates, family members, close friends, mentors, advisors, influential supporters and direct underlings.

 

People that Obama through life has been being closely associated with, and viewed/views in a positive way.

 

And I said he'd have to be ready to defend his choices because I might challenge them. Just as he had the right to challenge mine.

 

And then I named my first name, Van Jones, and asked if he wanted to challenge his being a hardcore socialist or communist, closely associated with Obama, and viewed by Obama positively (at least until thrown under the bus)?

 

And it looked for a moment like Cant Decide had accepted my challenge because he tried to argue that Van Jones was not a hardcore socialist or communist associated with Obama.

 

Of course I quickly dispelled that notion with fact after fact after fact.

 

And I guess I scared Cant Decide off, because he then RAN. :rolleyes:

 

And he's been running ever since. ;)

 

I even tried spicing up the offer.

 

I wagered my presence on this forum against his, offering to leave if he found a President who had more socialist/communist inner circle members than Obama.

 

Of course, fair is fair. I insisted that he make the same agreement … to leave the forum if he accepted that bet and lost.

 

But even that wonderful prize wasn't enough to get him to take the challenge.

 

So now I've decided perhaps public shaming can do it. :D

 

So how about it, Cant Decide? Want to play?

 

Pick the President you're going to match against Obama, and then post your first name.

 

Or can't you decide?

 

Do you need more proof I'm serious about my challenge, Cant Decide?

 

You want to hear a second name before you take the challenge?

 

How about Marilyn Katz? She was in the news today.

 

She was a campaign bundler for Obama in 2008 and goes way back with the Obamas. She's definitely inner circle.

 

Indeed, Obama was at a fundraiser hosted by her for him on June 1st:

 

http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/01/after-bad-jobs-report-obama-parties-with-radicals/

 

 

But why do I name her?

 

Well, as noted in the above, the NYTimes (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/11/us/politics/11chicago.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all ) said

 

 

A LEADER of SDS. Now you know what SDS was, don't you, Cant Decide?

 

It was an extremely radical, PRO-communist/socialist organization. Indeed, many of the top members of SDS were the children of parents who were Communist Party members and communist activists. Lots and lots of socialists and communists were in it, because it was founded by members of William Ayers' Weather Underground … and you know they were EXTREME. Yes, the same small-"c" communist William Ayers that Obama had a close working relationship with for more than a decade and who considered Obama a good friend. (I'll have more to say about him later, if you take my challenge. ;))

 

And do you know what many veterans of SDS now call themselves? "Progressives for Obama". Different spots, but the same animal with the same goals. And very much inner circle.

 

And you know something else about Marilyn Katz? She helped admitted communist Quentin Young help found an organization called the New America Movement (NAM), which later merged with the Democratic Socialists of America. (Quentin Young is another name you'll hear more about. ;))

 

I'm telling you, Katz was and is HARDCORE socialist/communist.

 

And very much in Obama's inner circle. She helped Valerie Jarrett, Obama's most intimate and closest adviser and friend, get her start way back when in Chicago. (And if you take my challenge, we'll eventually get to talking about Jarrett, too. :D)

 

Katz was also a member of Michelle's social circle, and has visited the Whitehouse. And radical as they come.

 

Now Cant Decide, I know you don't want to participate in my Obama Commie challenge, but do you really think I can't play without you? :D

 

P.S. Now you have to name 2 names. :P

 

 

You are WASTING YOUR TIME

 

If you haven't noticed by his posts Can't Decide HAS THE BRAINS OF A FLY

 

 

Can't Decide is Merely Another Kool-Aid Drinking DRONE who CANNOT EVEN DEBAT ON TOPIC and often resorts too Elementary School Tactics cause THATS THE BEST HE CAN DO

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In case you folks missed it, I've offered Cant Decide a challenge.

 

Because he seems to think Obama is not the most socialist/communist we've ever had in the Whitehouse ... while I contend that Obama is ... by far.

 

My challenge was that we each take turns with the President of our choice, mine being Obama, and start naming inner circle members who were or still are hardcore socialists or communists.

 

And we take turns until one of us can't think of another name.

 

I bet Cant Decide that he'd run out of names before I do.

 

By inner circle I mean close work associates, family members, close friends, mentors, advisors, influential supporters and direct underlings.

 

People that Obama through life has been being closely associated with, and viewed/views in a positive way.

 

And I said he'd have to be ready to defend his choices because I might challenge them. Just as he had the right to challenge mine.

 

And then I named my first name, Van Jones, and asked if he wanted to challenge his being a hardcore socialist or communist, closely associated with Obama, and viewed by Obama positively (at least until thrown under the bus)?

 

And it looked for a moment like Cant Decide had accepted my challenge because he tried to argue that Van Jones was not a hardcore socialist or communist associated with Obama.

 

Of course I quickly dispelled that notion with fact after fact after fact.

 

And I guess I scared Cant Decide off, because he then RAN. :rolleyes:

 

And he's been running ever since. ;)

 

I even tried spicing up the offer.

 

I wagered my presence on this forum against his, offering to leave if he found a President who had more socialist/communist inner circle members than Obama.

 

Of course, fair is fair. I insisted that he make the same agreement … to leave the forum if he accepted that bet and lost.

 

But even that wonderful prize wasn't enough to get him to take the challenge.

 

So now I've decided perhaps public shaming can do it. :D

 

So how about it, Cant Decide? Want to play?

 

Pick the President you're going to match against Obama, and then post your first name.

 

Or can't you decide?

 

Do you need more proof I'm serious about my challenge, Cant Decide?

 

You want to hear a second name before you take the challenge?

 

How about Marilyn Katz? She was in the news today.

 

She was a campaign bundler for Obama in 2008 and goes way back with the Obamas. She's definitely inner circle.

 

Indeed, Obama was at a fundraiser hosted by her for him on June 1st:

 

http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/01/after-bad-jobs-report-obama-parties-with-radicals/

 

 

But why do I name her?

 

Well, as noted in the above, the NYTimes (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/11/us/politics/11chicago.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all ) said

 

 

A LEADER of SDS. Now you know what SDS was, don't you, Cant Decide?

 

It was an extremely radical, PRO-communist/socialist organization. Indeed, many of the top members of SDS were the children of parents who were Communist Party members and communist activists. Lots and lots of socialists and communists were in it, because it was founded by members of William Ayers' Weather Underground … and you know they were EXTREME. Yes, the same small-"c" communist William Ayers that Obama had a close working relationship with for more than a decade and who considered Obama a good friend. (I'll have more to say about him later, if you take my challenge. ;))

 

And do you know what many veterans of SDS now call themselves? "Progressives for Obama". Different spots, but the same animal with the same goals. And very much inner circle.

 

And you know something else about Marilyn Katz? She helped admitted communist Quentin Young help found an organization called the New America Movement (NAM), which later merged with the Democratic Socialists of America. (Quentin Young is another name you'll hear more about. ;))

 

I'm telling you, Katz was and is HARDCORE socialist/communist.

 

And very much in Obama's inner circle. She helped Valerie Jarrett, Obama's most intimate and closest adviser and friend, get her start way back when in Chicago. (And if you take my challenge, we'll eventually get to talking about Jarrett, too. :D)

 

Katz was also a member of Michelle's social circle, and has visited the Whitehouse. And radical as they come.

 

Now Cant Decide, I know you don't want to participate in my Obama Commie challenge, but do you really think I can't play without you? :D

 

P.S. Now you have to name 2 names. :P

 

 

You are WASTING YOUR TIME

 

If you haven't noticed by his posts Can't Decide HAS THE BRAINS OF A FLY

 

 

Can't Decide is Merely Another Kool-Aid Drinking DRONE who CANNOT EVEN DEBATE ON TOPIC and often resorts too Elementary School Tactics cause THATS THE BEST HE CAN DO

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You are WASTING YOUR TIME

Ah, but embarrassing him really isn't the point of this thread.

 

To prove it, I open my challenge up to any liberal, progressive, democrat, socialist, communist, anarchist, *independent*' or whathaveyou on this forum.

 

Heck, they can even organize as a community or collective to defeat me, although they will have to agree on their President first,

 

So how about it, LF Obamaphiles?

 

Care to take my challenge?

 

Or shall we conclude from your silence that you know Obama is by far the most hardcore socialist/communist friendly US President there has ever been? :P

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{crickets}

 

Gee, am I going to have to add another name to my list just to tempt you liberals?

 

But then, you know, you'll have to supply three yourselves, if you want to play the game.

 

How deep a hole do you want to have to climb out of? :D

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Look, the CD punk is not worth your time. He is a capital L loser. fuhgettaboutit.

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... (felt all ebonic for a moment)

 

What does that feel like?

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dude you need fkn help. they have pills now

 

the big black boogieman is not out to get you...

 

You do not need the tin foil hat to block the satellites from reading your mind.

 

beer bubbles come from carbonation...not from magical seahorses that live in beer and swim to your liver

 

 

 

it is going to be okay

 

And here we have the leftist way of getting out of a challenge where defeat is imminent. "Oh, well all that is irrelevant!" :lol:

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BAC

 

I get it, the world gets it, you hate Obama cuz he is Black and he scares you cuz he is Black...

 

You have no idea about american history, who did socialist things and who didnt, all anyone has to do to see how stupid you are is you are making a case that obama is a socialist because he was in the same breathing space as a guy who was a radical 30 yrs earlier

 

you know NOTHING about Van Jones, you know NOTHING about his agenda...

 

your challenege is ridiculous, but your hate for my country isnt and i will promise you, wait, i said i wouldnt talk about war anymore

 

never-mind :lol:

 

stupid bigots

 

 

 

ps the best thing that could happen to YOU is if Obama was a socialist and could get some [excrement] passed, but he isnt remotely socialist nor is almost any dems, let alone repubs

 

You are WASTING YOUR TIME

 

If you haven't noticed by his posts Can't Decide HAS THE BRAINS OF A FLY

 

 

Can't Decide is Merely Another Kool-Aid Drinking DRONE who CANNOT EVEN DEBATE ON TOPIC and often resorts too Elementary School Tactics cause THATS THE BEST HE CAN DO

Karl, I have warned you, when you are talking to me, someone with 1000 times your intellect, education, maturity, looks, money, charm, you need to please STAY DOWN after I have repeatedly beaten you nearly to message board death

 

:lol: :lol:

 

stupid bigots

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you hate Obama cuz he is Black and he scares you cuz he is Black...

LOL! That's the last refuge of a real racist. Using the race card when you have no other rational argument to make.

 

You have no idea about american history, who did socialist things and who didnt,

LOL! This thread is proving that I'm apparently the only one willing to actually cite facts about American history and socialists here, CD. You're just opening your mouth to let hot air escape.

 

you know NOTHING about Van Jones, you know NOTHING about his agenda...

I've already proven you wrong about that. Don't you remember the post I made when you dismissed the idea that Van Jones is a communist or socialist? The post you then RAN from?

 

your challenege is ridiculous

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Cluck, cluck, cluck ...

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facts? what facts have you shown that Obama himself is a socialist?

 

just one please

 

by the way, van jones isnt a socialist either, i wish he was

 

You are so stupid, you are arguing that Obama could be someone who would actually help people, and as the Jesus hating person you are, you would hate that...

 

do I have your position now?

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Here, let's just repeat the response you made regarding Van Jones after I first named him, and my response to you:

 

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socialist?

 

communist?

 

:lol:

 

god you are stupid...one of my best friends and Van are professional associates, what you know about Van jones would fit on top the pin of a sewing needle

 

seriously, trust me on this, you really are stupid , very very very stupid :lol:

Ok. So I take you are accepting the challenge, but claiming Van Jones was/is not a hardcore socialist or communist? That's it's stupid to even think so … "very very very stupid."

 

Ok. Let's discuss what the facts say about Van Jones.

 

For those who don't know, Van Jones was the guy that Obama wanted to make his Green Jobs Czar. So presumably, Obama had vetted his past and views, and approved of him.

 

So there is no way that Obama didn't know that Van Jones is a guy who openly declared he was a communist through the 90s.

 

In 2005 he told the press that he became a communist after the April 1992 Rodney King verdict: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2009/09/controversial-obama-administration-official-denies-being-part-of-911-truther-movement-apologizes-for/. He told them "I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th. By August, I was a communist." Indeed, he's quoted saying (http://www.eastbayexpress.com/eastbay/the-new-face-of-environmentalism/Content?oid=1079539):

 

“I met all these young radical people of color — I mean really radical, communists and anarchists. And it was, like, ‘This is what I need to be a part of.’” … snip ... “I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary.

Now recently, California Democrats literally fawned over him, as he claimed his radicalism is a thing of the past and that he stopped "experimenting" with socialism and communism (although he refused to use those words) long ago. Here, read it yourself: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/04/05/van-jones-claims-radicalism-behind-him . He tries to leave the impression that he was only a *radical* in his 20s. Now he's a changed man. Now he's a capitalist.

 

But he's nothing more than a liar, as I shall prove.

 

First, what did Van Jones do after becoming a communist in 1992?

 

Well, according to that ABCNews article above, in 1994 he helped form a group called Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement, or STORM. And it turns out that he remained a member of that organization until 2002, when it finally disbanded. That organization "held study groups on the theories of Marx and Lenin and dreamed of a multiracial socialist utopia" (http://www.eastbayexpress.com/eastbay/the-new-face-of-environmentalism/Content?oid=1079539 ). That's how radical it was. According to wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Jones ), which tends to be a liberal source, it's official Points of Unity "upheld revolutionary democracy, revolutionary feminism, revolutionary internationalism, the central role of the working class, urban Marxism, and Third World Communism."

 

In 1996 he founded the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights (EBCHR). While he was still a communist. And for the next 6 years, while working at EBCHR, he was still "trying to be a revolutionary." Apparently, the EBCHR was conducive to that sort thing. Must have been since Elizabeth "Betita" Martinez was one of its "mentors" for new members. Martinez was a longtime Maoist who was and still is a member of the Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism, a CPUSA splinter group.

 

Given all that, I think it's safe to say that in 2002, when Jones was age 33, he was still a radical … and still a hardcore socialist or communist. Do you wish to challenge that, Cant Decide?

 

Indeed, what was Jones still thinking back in 2002, when STORM folded? Perhaps a clue lies in a record album that he produced for the Ella Baker Center around 2002. Among the lyrics on the album were the following (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/09/024444.php ):

 

"The American way manufactured by white folk in office, by these rich men here to mock us. The United States; a piece of stolen land led by right-wing, war-hungry, oil thirsty ... And when it's all said and done, still can't [garbled] the wrong place cause they got people of color playing servant to do that [foul word] for them; [foul word]ready to wipe out soft targets on territories harboring terrorists? Tragedy. The true terrorists are made in the U.S."

Now that doesn't sound like any capitalist I know. And Jones not only produced the album, he participated in it.

 

Here (

), you can listen to a little of what Jones himself contributed (around 3:50 in the clip but be sure to listen to all of it). He sure doesn't sound like a capitalist. He spouts the same rhetoric we heard incessantly from communists for decades and decades. So it doesn't sound like in 2002, he was a *changed* man at all. He sounds like he was still *a communist*. An anti-capitalist. Still believed in the same things he believed in back in 1992, when he first declared he was a communist.

 

So exactly when did he become a *former* communist?

 

The truth is that this new, improved "image" that Jones is now trying to promote is nothing less than a tactic that he has already admitted to using in order to further his radical agenda. According to http://www.eastbayexpress.com/eastbay/the-new-face-of-environmentalism/Content?oid=1079539, in 2005 he said the following regarding STORM and his other efforts:

 

"I saw our little movement destroyed over a lot of [foul language]-talking and [foul language]," he said. "It just seemed like an ongoing train crash that was calling itself a political movement. It was much more destructive internally than anyone was talking about, and much less impactful externally than anyone was willing to admit."

That article notes that

 

Jones' fixation on solidarity dates from this experience. He took an objective look at the movement's effectiveness and decided that the changes he was seeking were actually getting farther away. Not only did the left need to be more unified, he decided, it might also benefit from a fundamental shift in tactics. "I realized that there are a lot of people who are capitalists -- shudder, shudder -- who are really committed to fairly significant change in the economy, and were having bigger impacts than me and a lot of my friends with our protest signs," he said.

And, once again, that doesn't sound like someone who stopped being a radical, or a socialist or even a communist. Or someone who is -- shudder, shudder -- now a capitalist. It only sounds like someone who was going to change tactics to achieve the same ends he'd been pursuing. And as the article notes:

 

First, he discarded the hostility and antagonism with which he had previously greeted the world, which he said was part of the ego-driven romance of being seen as a revolutionary. "Before, we would fight anybody, any time," he said. "No concession was good enough; we never said 'Thank you.' Now, I put the issues and constituencies first. I'll work with anybody, I'll fight anybody if it will push our issues forward. ... I'm willing to forgo the cheap satisfaction of the radical pose for the deep satisfaction of radical ends."

And there you have it. He clearly states that he was just changing his spots … changing tactics … discarding the "radical pose" … but keeping the same "radical ends", the same goals.

 

And it was at this time that he started his close association with the environmental movement and began promoting what he called "eco-capitalism" in his new changed persona. That and something called "environmental justice". He did it under the auspices of the EBCHR (you know, that apparently communist-friendly organization that he founded). And what is "environmental justice"? That anything like "social justice"? Both are certainly terms we've heard many a communist spout.

 

There has long been a close association between the environmental movement and communist movement. Jones was just adopting that as a means to promote his communist agenda. His objectives are still the same, just the rhetoric is a little different. Eco-capitalism is bogus capitalism. The truth is that this guy is no more supportive of real capitalism, of the profit motive and private property, than he ever was. He simply wants to redefine the term capitalism and use it to reach a radical, communist goal. And he depends on suckers to naively swallow that rhetoric.

 

Sadly, the Democratic party now seems to be filled with nothing but suckers and fools. What Jones, Obama and the left define as eco-capitalism is going to make America non-competitive in the world marketplace. Eco-capitalism is just a disguised way of promoting the same social engineering Van Jones was previously espousing.

 

Here's something that Van Jones said in 2008, just a short time before Obama picked him to be a top member of his team, after supposedly following his career for years. It's accompanied by an absolutely correct analysis by Glenn Back:

 

(http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/30090/ ):

 

VAN JONES: One of the things that has happened I think too often to progressives is that we don't understand the relationship between minimum goals and maximum goals. 


 

GLENN: Stop. … snip … Listen to how he explains minimum and maximum goals. 


 

VAN JONES: Right after Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat, if the civil rights leaders had jumped out and said, okay, now, we

 


GLENN: Stop. This is Rosa Parks. He is now tying the civil rights movement to three very important things. The civil rights movement he is now saying, at least the way I read it, that the goal was this. Listen.

 


VAN JONES: Reparations for slavery

 

GLENN: Stop. We want reparations for slavery. Two. 


 

VAN JONES: We want redistribution of all wealth.

 

GLENN: Stop. We want redistribution of all wealth. Redistribution of all wealth. And three. 


 

VAN JONES: And we want to legalize mixed marriages.

 

… snip …

 

VAN JONES: If they come out with a maximum program the very next day, they would have been laughed at. Instead they came out with a very minimum program: … snip … But inside that minimum demand was a very radical kernel that eventually meant that from 1954 to 1958, you know, complete revolution was on the table.

 

GLENN: Stop. … snip … Inside that plan was a very radical kernel. What have I been telling you? There are things inside of these bills. It's why they have been overwhelming the system because inside these gigantic bills there are radical kernels. … snip … This is why people could make the claim that this is a Velvet Revolution because they're not telling us who they are. They are telling us one thing. But inside that one thing is a radical kernel. Now listen.

 

VAN JONES: For this country. And I think that this green movement has to pursue those same steps and stages. Right now we're saying we want to move from suicidal gray capitalism to some kind of eco capitalism.

In other words, Van Jones was admitting that the green movement has to disguise what it's ultimate objectives are just like the civil rights movement did. And he says that "right now" we say we want to move from suicidal gray capitalism to some kind of eco capitalism. But that isn't the end objective.

 

The analysis by Beck continues:

 

GLENN: Stop. Okay. Capitalism. Suicidal gray capitalism. He's a capitalist? When did he become a big capitalist? When he was describing in 2008 capitalism as suicidal? Suicidal gray capitalism. The key words are really not even that. The key words are the two words in that sentence. It leads the sentence. What was it? "Right now." We're talking about going from suicidal gray capitalism to some sort of eco capitalism. Right now. That's what we're talking about. But remember the paragraph before: Inside there is a kernel of radicalism.

Beck's correct, you see Van Jones advocating changing tactics … discarding the "radical pose" … but keeping the same "radical ends". Hiding the end result by "now" only going for the minimum goal. But the maximum goal, communism, is still his ultimate goal. It's clear as day.

 

Do you begin to understand what's been going on? That communists (Obama and his friends) have simply decided to infiltrate the system and destroy it from the inside, ala Cloward and Pivens. Van Jones is stealth communist who simply changed his spots to make himself more palatable to the American people. But he hasn't changed his core ideals nor his ultimate goals. And you have to be a fool (or a useful idiot) not to see this.

 

Here's what Van Jones said in 2009 (

): "This movement is deeper than a solar panel! Deeper than a solar panel! Don't stop there! Don't stop there! No, we gonna change the whole system! We gonna change the whole thing! We not gonna put a new battery in a broken system, We want a new system. We want a new system."

 

And in 2009 he also told a questioner (http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/09/van-jones-exposed-and-condemned-by-his-own-words/ ): "How is that capitalism working for ya this year?"

 

Oh yeah, Jones is a changed man. He's no longer a communist. Or a socialist. Now he's a good capitalist. If you really believe that, Cant Decide, I have a bridge to sell you.

 

And knowing all this, Obama vetted Van Jones and wanted him to be a top member of his team … about as close to Obama's inner circle as one could possibly get.

 

So I'll stand by my first name … Van Jones, hardcore socialist/communist.

 

And unless you have some sourced document to dispute what I've presented above, I await hearing the name of the President you've selected and the first socialist/communist in his inner circle.

 

If you provide neither, I will take that as an admission that it is you who knows next to nothing about Van Jones AND OBAMA. And it is you displaying stupidity. :D

 

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Yep. I still think it does the job of showing it's YOU who knows nothing about Van Jones. :D

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:lol: :lol:

 

breitbart :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

you hate the president because he is BLACK, NO other reason...you spend hours copying and pasting nonsense to try and justify your racism

 

i cant help you, I dont give absolution

 

 

I just noticed you also used Glen Beck as a source

 

DEAR GOD

 

 

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

between fdr, truman and nixon, alone, you clearly have a great deal to learn like who's idea UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE was....

 

but none of it will matter, your post provess you are a vicious, America hating racist...Jesus hating also...you are my enemy...

 

but i have promised not to talk about war anymore...

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dude you need fkn help. they have pills now

 

the big black boogieman is not out to get you...

 

You do not need the tin foil hat to block the satellites from reading your mind.

 

beer bubbles come from carbonation...not from magical seahorses that live in beer and swim to your liver

 

 

 

it is going to be okay

...and THIS is the best you can come up with responding to the OP? Good lord... did you actually READ the OP?

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...and THIS is the best you can come up with responding to the OP? Good lord... did you actually READ the OP?

You dont understand, nothing posted by BAC in the challenge is real in the actual real world of humans

 

Nothing you guys believe is real, all of it is lies.

 

We laugh at you, we NEVER answer you as if you are adults deserving answers, you do not, you are traitorous scum who will eventually insist on a

 

oops, promised not to talk about that anymore

 

Nothing BAC posted is real, he knows absolutely nothing, I have a close friend who is an associate of Van Jones, for instance, I know more about van jones than BAC knows about everything in the world combined

 

answering him would be an insult to Van and the President, we will answer him, soon, but it wont be to refute lies, it will be much more serious

 

and i am not happy that he may force the country into a , oops, promise not to say

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facts? what facts have you shown that Obama himself is a socialist?

LOL!

 

Don't you recall Obama saying in 2008 "judge me by the people with whom I surround myself"?

 

That's all I'm doing, CD.

 

But you seem afraid of doing that. :D

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You dont understand, nothing posted by BAC in the challenge is real in the actual real world of humans

 

Nothing you guys believe is real, all of it is lies.

 

We laugh at you, we NEVER answer you as if you are adults deserving answers, you do not, you are traitorous scum who will eventually insist on a

 

oops, promised not to talk about that anymore

 

Nothing BAC posted is real, he knows absolutely nothing, I have a close friend who is an associate of Van Jones, for instance, I know more about van jones than BAC knows about everything in the world combined

 

answering him would be an insult to Van and the President, we will answer him, soon, but it wont be to refute lies, it will be much more serious

 

and i am not happy that he may force the country into a , oops, promise not to say

...yup, that's what your African brothas also say! Your 'thinking' is the same, dude!... and look at the mess in Africa!

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LOL!

 

Don't you recall Obama saying in 2008 "judge me by the people with whom I surround myself"?

 

That's all I'm doing, CD.

 

But you seem afraid of doing that. :D

Son, your brain is fried, honestly it is

 

Obama isnt a socialist, he doesnt promote socialism in his agenda, never has, never will, unfortunately

 

You hate him cuz he is Black, smarter than you, better looking than you, has a wife 10,000 times more beautiful and intelligent than any white woman you know, so I get it, trust me I do...

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Son, your brain is fried, honestly it is

 

Obama isnt a socialist, he doesnt promote socialism in his agenda, never has, never will, unfortunately

 

You hate him cuz he is Black half breed, smarter than you, better looking than you, has a wife 10,000 times more beautiful and intelligent than any white woman you know, so I get it, trust me I do...

:lol::lol::lol:

 

...oh by the way, I fixed your post!

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Nothing BAC posted is real, he knows absolutely nothing, I have a close friend who is an associate of Van Jones, for instance, I know more about van jones than BAC knows about everything in the world combined

LOL! Yet I'm the only one offering sourced material here. You're just puffing hot hair … and EVERYONE can see that.

 

Do you seriously think CLAIMING to know "a friend" whose an *associate* of Van Jones is a substitute for sourced material?

 

ANYBODY can make such claims on the internet. Which is why they are meaningless.

 

Tell us, CD, do you also know a friend of William Ayers? Hmmmmm? :D

 

Is that what you're going to claim as I offer name after name after name proving that Obama has more inner circle socialists and communists than any other President in history?

 

Hide behind your unnamed friends? :rolleyes:

 

Let me reissue the challenge TO ALL LIBERALS HERE AT LibertyForum.

 

Pick any President (other than Obama) and prove he's had more hardcore socialists and communists in his inner circle than Obama by listing more names than I can list for Obama.

 

I'll even let you work together to come up with your names.

 

I'm sure that Cant Decide could use the help. :D

Edited by BeAChooser

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Bottom line:

 

The Black Man in the White House is driving the racists out of their already crazed minds.

 

The racists (read GOP) are going absolutely batchit CRAZEEEEE!

 

I actually get a sort of perverse pleasure out of watching the psychopaths and sociopaths on the right get hysterical to the point of apoplexy.

 

We REALLY need to offer bunkers in Berlin with loaded pistols for the psychos on the right when Obama wins a second term. We should encourage the right to commit suicide (like their crazy ancestor) with their Second Amendment pistols and get their defective genes out of the human gene pool.

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