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Now to be fair, the right-wingers were outraged by Boehner's actions.[/sarcasm]

No, to be fair, this thread is about Holder, Obama and their coverup of their crimes, not Boehner.

But you guys can't defend that, so you deflect.

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No, to be fair, this thread is about Holder, Obama and their coverup of their crimes, not Boehner.

But you guys can't defend that, so you deflect.

If Issa was so concerned with fairness and getting to the bottom of the Fast and Furious program, he would have subpoenaed the people who started it, and not just the guy who ended it. Why has no one from ATF or Michael Mukasey been called to testify?

 

Where was the outrage when hundreds of Mexicans were killed under the original gun walking program started in 2006?

Why isn't Issa looking into that?

 

This is a Republican witchhunt just like they did to Clinton. One of the members of Issa's committee is a POS named Dan Burton who had such a hard-on for Clinton that he issued a record number of subpoenas (1,000) and even tried to re-create what he was convinced to be Clinton's murdering of Vince Foster by shooting at a fucking pumpkin. Burton was still holding hearings on Clinton after he was out of office.

 

This whole Fast and Furious thing is just another right wing conspiracy theory promoted by Fox News.

Look who they use as their 'expert' on the subject.

 

Fox Covers Up Connection Between Terrorism Allegations And Their Fast And Furious Expert Mike Vanderboegh

 

Mike Vanderboegh is the same 'Break their windows. Break them NOW.' blogger who called for violence against Democratic members of Congress during the health care debate.

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No, to be fair, this thread is about Holder, Obama and their coverup of their crimes, not Boehner.

But you guys can't defend that, so you deflect.

 

I see so what are these crimes and what are they covering up?

 

Love the horse ballet pic!! Priceless!!

 

 

 

If Issa was so concerned with fairness and getting to the bottom of the Fast and Furious program, he would have subpoenaed the people who started it, and not just the guy who ended it. Why has no one from ATF or Michael Mukasey been called to testify?

 

Where was the outrage when hundreds of Mexicans were killed under the original gun walking program started in 2006?

Why isn't Issa looking into that?

 

This is a Republican witchhunt just like they did to Clinton. One of the members of Issa's committee is a POS named Dan Burton who had such a hard-on for Clinton that he issued a record number of subpoenas (1,000) and even tried to re-create what he was convinced to be Clinton's murdering of Vince Foster by shooting at a fucking pumpkin. Burton was still holding hearings on Clinton after he was out of office.

 

This whole Fast and Furious thing is just another right wing conspiracy theory promoted by Fox News.

Look who they use as their 'expert' on the subject.

 

Fox Covers Up Connection Between Terrorism Allegations And Their Fast And Furious Expert Mike Vanderboegh

 

Mike Vanderboegh is the same 'Break their windows. Break them NOW.' blogger who called for violence against Democratic members of Congress during the health care debate.

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Love the horse ballet pic!! Priceless!!

:D

 

I haven't been following this latest GOP phony scandal that much.

Is it true that Issa wants Holder to turn over Grand Jury transcripts and wiretap logs?

Isn't that illegal?

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:D

 

I haven't been following this latest GOP phony scandal that much.

Is it true that Issa wants Holder to turn over Grand Jury transcripts and wiretap logs?

Isn't that illegal?

 

Yes and what Issa is really doing here is to try to set precedent that undermines the power of the Executive Branch of government going forward.

 

Holder would violate separation of powers constitutional law if he just handed over anything the CONZ *THINK* might be of value.

 

The CONZ are Nazi Fascists. What else would anyone expect of them? "Ve Tink You are hidink sometink so giff us all zee papers, Schnell!"

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No, to be fair, this thread is about Holder, Obama and their coverup of their crimes, not Boehner.

But you guys can't defend that, so you deflect.

 

Why are you against Mexicans getting guns and protecting their rights from Big Gummit?

 

Explain yourself, gun grabber!

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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/20/Holder-will-lose-exec-priv-claim

 

As I’ve written before, there are two types of executive privilege. One is a strong form rooted in the Constitution, called the presidential communication privilege. But there is another type, much weaker and rooted in common law instead of the Constitution, called the deliberative process privilege. That second, weaker variety is what President Obama invoked today regarding Holder.

 

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There are several factors courts look to. The most important is whether the president was involved, since that determines which privilege (presidential communications versus deliberative process) is in play. Beyond that, several factors weigh in favor of Congress and against Holder here. This was domestic policy (not foreign), in an operation out of an agency (not the White House), where crimes may have been committed, and none of the president’s constitutional prerogatives are implicated by the case. Factors favoring Obama are that this is not legislative policymaking, and it does have a diplomatic angle because of relations with Mexico. But surveying 200 years of court precedent shows that Congress has the better claim here.

 

The only way to beat an executive privilege claim is by court order. To take this issue to court, the full House must vote to hold Holder in contempt of Congress, then—when federal prosecutors predictably inform the House that they will not prosecute their boss—the full House must pass a second resolution authorizing Rep. Darrell Issa to file suit in the U.S. District Court for D.C. on behalf of the entire U.S. House.

 

Holder will lose the court fight. He’ll appeal, of course, but eventually the appeals will be over, and we’ll all learn the truth of what really happened in Fast and Furious.

 

And whom to hold accountable.

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Yes and what Issa is really doing here is to try to set precedent that undermines the power of the Executive Branch of government going forward.

 

Holder would violate separation of powers constitutional law if he just handed over anything the CONZ *THINK* might be of value.

 

The CONZ are Nazi Fascists. What else would anyone expect of them? "Ve Tink You are hidink sometink so giff us all zee papers, Schnell!"

 

Oh, I figured Issa wanted to share his findings with the Cartel using loose-lip congress that leaks info like a sieve.

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Great article that clears up a lot of the mystery of why ...

 

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/303808/fast-and-furious-and-ocdetf-andrew-c-mccarthy#

 

Fast and Furious and OCDETF

 

Whom is executive privilege protecting?

 

By Andrew C. McCarthy

 

The media commentary about “executive privilege” makes your eyes glaze over. That’s intentional: When you are throwing sand in the public’s eyes, as the administration is in the Fast and Furious scandal, you want the talking heads droning on about the jurisprudence of “presidential communications” and “deliberative process.” Blather about the legal contours diverts your attention from the only question that really matters: Why?

 

Why is President Obama denying Congress and the public access to critical information about his administration’s part in a shockingly ill-conceived investigation that resulted in the murder of Brian Terry, a heroic federal Border Patrol agent and veteran U.S. Marine. And when I say “his administration’s part,” that, too, is intentional.

 

When the president intervened with an eleventh-hour privilege assertion as the House committee verged on citing his obstructive attorney general for contempt, the Obamedia storyline, naturally, was that Obama was protecting Holder. But if we know anything after a half-decade of closely watching Barack Obama, it is this: The One is in it for The One. The president invoked executive privilege because he is protecting himself.

I highly recommend you read the rest. :)

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No, to be fair, this thread is about Holder, Obama and their coverup of their crimes, not Boehner.

But you guys can't defend that, so you deflect.

 

To be fair and honest, you are a fking liar, and trying to deflect the issue onto Obama who isn't mentioned in the OP. Just to be fair dumb fker!!!

 

 

And to be fair, since it does mention missing weapons:

 

The US has lost track of about 190,000 weapons issued to Iraqi security forces since the 2003 invasion, some of which will have ended up in the hands of insurgents, according to an official report published in Washington. Among the missing items are AK-47 rifles, pistols, body armour and helmets.

 

And the Retards didn't give a chit then, so why now all of a sudden? And why should any Liberal give a fk, if retards don't.

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The US has lost track of about 190,000 weapons issued to Iraqi security forces since the 2003 invasion, some of which will have ended up in the hands of insurgents, according to an official report published in Washington. Among the missing items are AK-47 rifles, pistols, body armour and helmets.

The problem is likely nowhere near as big as you paint.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/11/world/middleeast/11weapons.html?pagewanted=all

 

Many of those weapons were issued when Gen. David H. Petraeus, now the top American commander in Iraq, was responsible for training and equipping Iraqi security forces in 2004 and 2005. General Petraeus has said that he opted to arm the Iraqi forces as quickly as possible, before tracking systems were fully in place.

 

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Some military officials involved in supplying the Iraqis describe the sense of urgency they felt and the need to cut through what they saw as a cumbersome military bureaucracy.

 

A few miles from Mr. Saffar’s armory, Maj. John Isgrigg III and Maj. Timmy W. Cox were assigned to issue weapons to the Iraqi military and national guard from early 2004 to 2005. As soon as they heard that a new shipment was arriving, the officers said, they put together a convoy to be the first to claim it, barreling onto the tarmac at Baghdad International Airport and loading the crates of Glocks and AK-47s.

 

In several telephone interviews and e-mail exchanges, Majors Cox and Isgrigg described a race between themselves and the system. They acknowledged that they did not do everything by the book. They did not always call ahead to the airport to say they were coming. They signed receipts but did not always wait around to fill out inspection reports, known as DD-250s. And they told only certain superior officers about their plans for where the weapons would be delivered.

 

Major Isgrigg, 46, described the chain of custody as a maze of red tape. Once weapons went into it, it took days for them to be released, he said. Sometimes, he said, a competing unit distributing weapons to the Iraqi police would get to a shipment first, so he and Major Cox would have to wait for the next one. He said that warehouse crews had been infiltrated by Iraqis sympathetic to insurgents, and that sometimes weapons would disappear.

 

We had folks getting killed because equipment wasn’t moving,” said Col. Randy Hinton, the majors’ superior officer. “Were there times when all the right forms were not signed? Probably. But we had a mission to do, and we were going to do it the best way we could at that time.”

 

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“You’re talking about a war zone,” Mr. Hess said. “In Iraq, weapons are everywhere.”

http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?51679-Petraeus-blames-bookkeeping-for-missing-weapons

 

In an interview on Fox News Radio, Gen. David H. Petraeus said he believes the weapons did reach the security forces, but that paperwork deficiencies don’t show their status.

 

“We believe those weapons all certainly were given to Iraqi units,” Petraeus said, according to a podcast recording on “The Alan Colmes Show.”

 

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The report faulted the Pentagon and the U.S. military command in Iraq for not applying the same standards in tracking supplies and weapons that it does elsewhere. The system has since been improved, the report found.

 

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In the interview, Petraeus said the rush to get weapons and equipment to the new Iraqi troops was complicated by the need to fight the insurgency.

 

“We occasionally likened it to building the world’s largest aircraft while in flight and while being shot at,” Petraeus said. “But we gradually started putting those procedures into place.”

 

In the interview, Petraeus also said he will tell Congress in his September report that the “surge” is working.

 

Oh that's right ... you leftists were against the surge. :D

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http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-06-24/issa-says-clearly-a-cover-up-on-fast-and-furious-operation

 

U.S. House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa said the Justice Department’s refusal to turn over documents related to a failed gun-smuggling operation was “clearly a cover-up” by Attorney General Eric Holder and the Obama administration.

 

“It was deny, delay and recuse,” Issa, a California Republican, said on ABC’s “This Week” of his panel’s clash with the administration.

 

“Lying to Congress is a crime,” he said. “We have every right to see documents that say, did you know, when did you know, what did you know, including even the president.”

This is bigger than Watergate. IMPEACH OBAMA if he doesn't give up the documents that are sought.

 

http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/24/hume-on-fast-and-furious-the-scent-of-a-cover-up-is-pretty-strong/

 

On this weekend’s broadcast of “Fox News Sunday,” Fox News senior political analyst Brit Hume made the case that there could indeed be evidence that the Department of Justice is involved in a cover-up of operation-turned-scandal Fast and Furious.

 

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“I think the scent of a cover-up is pretty strong,” Hume said. … snip …

 

According to Hume, Congress has acted legitimately during its investigation of Fast and Furious, despite the several criticisms of overreach.

 

“There was a false letter sent here and evidence of cover-up,” he continued. “The committee is trying to get to the bottom of it and see who said what to whom and when and what the process was. This is the kind of things that investigating committees in Congress are entitled to, where executive agencies which are creatures of Congress by the way — they’re part of the executive and created by Congress and funded by Congress, are supposed to investigate. But the effect of it will be to delay matters until probably after the election. That I think satisfies the Obama White House and the Holder Justice Department’s purpose here, which is to put this off.”

What is Obama hiding? We need to know BEFORE the election.

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Lest we forget …

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/2chambers/post/eric-holder-fast-and-furious-contempt-vote-to-be-held-thursday/2012/06/25/gJQAefHY2V_blog.html

 

The House is scheduled to vote on recommendations that Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. be held in contempt of Congress on Thursday, according to House Republican aides.

 

Republican leaders plan to bring the issue to the floor on Thursday, meaning lawmakers likely will vote on contempt charges on the same day that the U.S. Supreme Court is slated to announce its ruling on the constitutionality of the 2010 health-care reform law.

 

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If the House votes to hold him in contempt, Holder would be the first U.S. attorney general in history held in contempt of Congress.

So Thursday could be a double ObammyWhammy. :D

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http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/06/gop-rejects-white-house-appeal-on-holder-contempt-vote/

 

Days before the House of Representatives is scheduled to take an unprecedented vote to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress, Obama administration officials and House Republican aides met today at the White House in an unsuccessful attempt to resolve the standoff over documents related to the Fast and Furious gunwalking operation.

 

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Republicans also asked the White House today whether it was willing to make a log available of the documents that the president would continue invoking executive privilege over, but the officials made clear that was “off the table,” according to a congressional source.

Now stop right there. The rules requires that a log of items being protected by executive privilege (called a Privilege Log) be provided.

 

http://www.redstate.com/sunshinestatesarah/2012/06/20/fast-furious-why-the-failure-to-submit-a-privilege-log-is-a-big-deal/

 

One of the key requirements to properly assert a privilege is that you have to complete what’s commonly referred to as a “privilege log” and turn it over to the party who sent you the subpoena. Every state has a set of civil procedure rules that lay out requirements for a privilege log, and the federal rules are similar. I’ll cite the Florida Rules of Civil Procedure because they are the ones with which I’m most familiar:

 

Rule 1.280(B )(5) Claims of Privilege or Protection of Trial Preparation Materials. When a party withholds information otherwise discoverable under these rules by claiming that it is privileged or subject to protection as trial preparation material, the party shall make the claim expressly and shall describe the nature of the documents, communications, or things not produced or disclosed in a manner that, without revealing information itself privileged or protected, will enable other parties to assess the applicability of the privilege or protection.

In simpler terms, if you want to refuse to turn over documents by claiming they are privileged, you have to submit a list describing those documents.

 

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UPDATE: Oh, the hypocrisy of the Left. They had no problem demanding a privilege log when they wanted documents from George Bush:

 

From the July 24, 2007 Judiciary Committee Memo objecting to the use of executive privilege regarding communications with Harriet Miers in her former role as White House Counsel (http://gulcfac.typepad.com/georgetown_university_law/files/contempt.memo.house.judiciary.pdf ):

 

 …The White House relies on the presidential communications executive privilege, even though the White House has specifically stated that the President did not receive advice on or participate in the U.S. Attorney firings. And the Administration and Ms. Miers have not only refused to produce subpoenaed documents, but have also refused even to provide a log identifying the withheld documents and providing the basic facts necessary to support the claim of privilege, even though such logs are routinely required by the courts in these types of cases.

And here's the federal rules regarding privilege logs:

 

http://www.ned.uscourts.gov/internetDocs/cle/2010-07/PrivilegeLogs.pdf

 

Since 1993, FRCP 26(B )(5) has included the following language: “When a party withholds information otherwise discoverable by claiming that the information is privileged or subject to protection as trial preparation material, the party must:

 

i. Expressly make the claim; and

 

ii. Describe the nature of the documents, communications, or tangible things not produced or disclosed -- and do so in a manner that, without revealing information itself privileged or protected, will enable other parties to assess the claim

 

The language of Rule 26(B )(5) is “commonly satisfied by filing a privilege log.” Wolk v. Green, No. C06-5025 BZ, 2007 WL 3203050, at *1-2 (N.D. Cal. 2007)

http://www.bakerbotts.com/file_upload/LitigationUpdate-4-27-2005.htm

 

For materials that are privileged, Rule 26(B )(5) requires a privilege log or other description of withheld materials:


When a party withholds information otherwise discoverable under these rules by claiming that it is privileged or subject to protection as trial preparation material, the party shall make the claim expressly and shall describe the nature of the documents, communications, or things not produced or disclosed in a manner that, without revealing information itself privileged or protected, will enable other parties to assess the applicability of the privilege or protection.

Rule 26(B )(5) has no express deadline, and parties often produce privilege logs along with their responsive documents or only when requested by opposing counsel. However, a recent Ninth Circuit decision suggests that defendants should reconsider the way document production responses are formulated and the timing of producing privilege logs to opposing counsel.

So here is yet another instance where the Obama Regime is ignoring the rules and law, and Democrat in general are acting hypocritically. :(

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http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/26/issa-to-obama-either-youre-involved-in-fast-and-furious-or-your-executive-privilege-claim-is-unjustified/

 

In a letter obtained by The Daily Caller, House oversight committee Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa pressed President Barack Obama directly on his assertion of executive privilege over documents related to Operation Fast and Furious.

 

“[Y]our privilege assertion means one of two things,” Issa wrote to the president in a letter dated June 25. “Either you or your most senior advisors were involved in managing Operation Fast & Furious and the fallout from it, including the false February 4, 2011 letter provided by the attorney general to the committee, or, you are asserting a presidential power that you know to be unjustified solely for the purpose of further obstructing a congressional investigation.

Those are fighting words, folks. :D

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http://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2012/06/29/the-fast-furious-noose-tightens-around-doj/

 

Fast and Furious Noose Tightens Around Justice Department

Let's summarize for the highly partisan liberals around here:

 


- Thousands of weapons were released into Mexico without providing any means to monitor their whereabouts.

 

- Mexican authorities were not told about the operation

 

- 2 US agents died as a result

 

- 100's of Mexicans died as a result.

 

- The task force was pushed at the top.

 

- Agents in the field complained that this was stupid and would get someone killed. They were told to shut up or lose their jobs.

 

- Whistle blowers were threatened and witnesses from the DOJ were not allowed to testify.

 

- An inspector general was fired.

 

- The idea for Fast and Furious came from someone involved in gun control legislation here in the US, suggesting the purpose was to provide a pretext for more legislation.

 


- This original idea was upgraded to a high profile inter-agency taskforce and funded with stimulus dollars.

 


- The wiretap documents prove the DOJ top leadership knew about this.

 


- Holder lied and attempted to blame Bush, to deny he knew about this and claimed this was all an accident.

 


- The emails lead to the White House.

 

THIS IS MUCH WORSE THAN WATERGATE.

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