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What's It All About, Taxes

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OK here you go...

 

what is a mureau or backdrop? Read this article from the Washington Post, why not? http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/17/business/for-economists-saez-and-piketty-the-buffett-rule-is-just-a-start.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

 

And what is the truth about taxation? There was recently a good editorial I think in the Atlantic recently, can't remember, but I will try to come to that later on in my rant... we just rant, that's all it seems we're capable of.

 

Seems like there's a lot of confusion about not only where tax dollars go but from where they come from.

 

Also seems like there's a great deal of confusion about wealth. What it means, what it might or might not dictate, and about things that go on that are never really addressed quite enough, that people sort of experience but seriously never really discuss as a voting block. Maybe the national debt is etched too much on their recent mind, even though it weren't only a few short years ago when Republicans held both houses of congress and the presidency and said, no the debt, or the ratio of debt to GDP is not too important.

 

Jon Stewart talking to the Economist Robert Reich said recently on the Daily show, and I paraphrase, "we are divided now with both of the only two allowable parties having the best of each ones ideologies it seems, like never before in history. We have what is defined as entitlements that you can't touch and also the free market trickle down folks who now have the lowest tax rates ever before seen in the last eighty or so years, and then, we have this looming debt no one seems able to really address."

 

Yet nobody can factually talk about tax or lack therein without a hell of a lot of political nonsense banter that contains no real factual thing, that is actually the truth. Who pays the man, or what the heck that means to suggest becomes so lost all the time. Whether as a state, or a federal body, there is no concise statement nor any shared sacrifice, or any idea or ideal, that as a matter of fact can seem to weigh in to any factual basis of the middle group which is the vast majority while still making complete sense. Everything is dumb downed, like it's all rocket science. We have anti-regulation bodies, and people who think that's entirely what got us into this mess in the first damn place, and then there's even Romney whom nobody knows just where he might fit in.

 

Who pays tax, what is tax, and why? Also, what is work, what is opportunity, or even true wealth. What's uncertainty? Can Oran Hatch or Senator Mitch whom I'm sure is a most marvelous, possibly gay, I don't know, say outright and with real conviction without hurting the party? Or is he only, is Mitch only worried about getting re-elected, only considering being the leader of the Senate. Mitch seems to know, you need sixty votes these days.

 

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/04/how-we-pay-taxes-11-charts/255954/?google_editors_picks=true

 

 

All the tea in China used to mean tea was all they have in China is tea, but they have a lot more don't they in China. They hold a lot of our debt, the government in China is also communist, and guess what, a lot of what you buy as a consumer is made there.

 

People should have jobs, they should be able to produce something good. Especially here in the US. Without taking our eyes off of greed, we shouldn't miss out our own potential. I know we do that all the time, people confuse profit with quality, they confuse exceptionalism with honorable goal sometimes because of the hype or possibly because they feel it just doesn't matter how they vote. The government isn't people, it's the corporation, them are the people you should trust in. Trust in the corporation, because they say, the corporation is libertarian --- anti war/// the true individual.

 

Peace!

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And to the many young independent voters who don't quite understand who Ron Paul is, but rely on the fact that he is a physician, or once was and does appear to be egalitarian, and to those who are tea party right wingers, or conservative through and through, why is it both men are on the same side, and still quite different when you think about it, why is that? Why is it neither one can illustrate or, actually can say a lot about a countries real thought? I can only surmise why not. They both don't know you or your history, wherever your family comes from. Yet they both speak about individual strength above anything. They suggest that there's something wrong with collaboration, even when the two can't see eye to eye, they speak like they individually somehow might condone each others plight.

And it worries me a lot, a physician well trained can also be full of nonsense, but people don't see it, they see something else, just like they see a leader in the business world, all the while just hoping for something they really don't know poop about. And yes, that's the truth about class distinction, lack of shared intellect. We are white washed, when marketing gets the best of hidden problems, and it's just whitewash all of it, and we are told that's a lot easier than any true democracy, and we know it, same problems year after year, nobody votes, yes, same thing, again and again.

 

Meanwhile, forget the homeless person population on the side streets is growing. Yes, forget the beggar and what should you donate to and why. In a way forget forget your own independent realm, you can never really make any real difference. is how we react, and we don't even know how to react, don't have any fact, don't know where the nearest homeless shelter is and just how to help. Instead, we are taught to believe, you should just vote for a president and then wonder why they never did all the right things you never understood needed to be done. You're just a stooge, you don't remember recent history, or the world at large. You're just waiting for Ron Paul or Romney, or no one ever to help you understand the truth. Turn away, vote for anyone or nobody, and then expect progress. You got better things to contend with. You're too busy doing what you already do. Actually, why the hell vote anyhow. Even if you're more afraid that there are more people who do without any ID. That's a bigger issue somehow it seems now to you, even if that's incredulous nonsense and it is, so what the heck. Isn't that what people all think?

 

 

Peace!

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INTERESTING POINTS!

 

while opinions (like the on in the article you linked) vary on how or why the "great wealth inequality" phenomenon has occurred. There seem to be far fewer legitimate solutions to this problem.

 

as much as it might be unfair for the real wealth of the world to be spread so thin, without that structure (that has been evolving for centuries) the entire world order would very soon collapse. we all depend on it.

 

There are a few viable thing that could help, one of the biggest examples of this is the patent and copyright system.

Free market does not exist, not for centuries now. it is an illusion providing rights to a product through a set of bylaws, enforced by the collective governments.

this Is relatively a new concept, used as yet another tool to keep the wealth "where it belongs"

 

the thought that a vote is power is no longer really applicable either, as we have the electoral college system.

just another tool to used to devalue an individual vote and give that right to the respective state/county government.

 

it is hard to not be a pessimist in this world we live in. the "tools of control" are all around us.

and the best place to hide something is in plain sight

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INTERESTING POINTS!

 

while opinions (like the on in the article you linked) vary on how or why the "great wealth inequality" phenomenon has occurred. There seem to be far fewer legitimate solutions to this problem.

 

as much as it might be unfair for the real wealth of the world to be spread so thin, without that structure (that has been evolving for centuries) the entire world order would very soon collapse. we all depend on it.

 

There are a few viable thing that could help, one of the biggest examples of this is the patent and copyright system.

Free market does not exist, not for centuries now. it is an illusion providing rights to a product through a set of bylaws, enforced by the collective governments.

this Is relatively a new concept, used as yet another tool to keep the wealth "where it belongs"

 

the thought that a vote is power is no longer really applicable either, as we have the electoral college system.

just another tool to used to devalue an individual vote and give that right to the respective state/county government.

 

it is hard to not be a pessimist in this world we live in. the "tools of control" are all around us.

and the best place to hide something is in plain sight

 

One point you make regarding the electoral college system, I agree BTW, but it isn't the real problem as much as it is projected to perhaps be. The executive power in the Federal system, I believe, has gone too far. Real voting power is in how we shape not only both houses in the federal system, but also in the state houses of each state. Again, real power regarding individual voting should logically be much more viable at the lower county and city level. City planning, business development, healthcare and education should come naturally at a more local government realm, or as they say, a bottom up design, if only, the people were more aware, and more active. Then, the representatives you send to Washington could more rightly represent the real constituents, so to speak.

 

I think we look at presidential polls, and even if you understand how polls are taken and the statistics behind them, a curious thing is how quickly they can change and with no reason that is worth thinking too much about. Dumb stuff in the media, things one may have said that isn't really important actually changes peoples minds from one week to the next in a very absurd way. If you study policy, you got to wonder just why that is. There are all of these exogenous factors that effect how people feel about a path forward.

 

And, so as you suggest, the tools of control" are real strategies lobbyist who work for corporations take, and there you have what we call true power. By the time a war rolls around, the vast majority of people don't really have the knowledge to know one way or the other if it's right or wrong.

 

And, there isn't really a Free Market, certainly not a very fair one between different countries that trade with each other. It's more like, the most powerful exploits the less powerful, in a general and real sense.

 

And, again back to the fairness of taxation, the use of tax to benefit all collectively, and the extent of how much to tax without hurting the economy at large, unfortunately is left to political theater with no real debate about fact.

 

And, that's another reason in part as to why we have so a presidential election folly every four years. you see the wasted time, things going backwards instead of forward progress, and also this so-called collective amnesia from the electorate.

 

I'd really love to see some strong leadership in Washington, starting in the Senate. I'd love to see more people like Ralph Nader lodged in the Senate to enact some change. Get Say, Green party people who are strong, a body of them in the Congress. Make someone Like Obama move. And yes, don't just go all willy nilly left - be pragmatic by all means at the presidential level, and do it with some intellect -- which Obama certainly does have.

 

Oh well,

sorry for the long droll. And thanks for your welcome comments lostphoenix.

 

Peace!

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