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sorry was creating my electric universe model

 

 

Image result for christmas tree

 

the tree is the vortex

 

the light strand is well your web of connecting filaments

 

eathir is the wood

 

 I did not have a star to put on top to represent the electric discharge

 

 hard to notice but it is floating in plasma

 

I know how much you like pictures

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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here is a list of fusion centers working with plasma... Hope they know what it is 

  DOE National Laboratories

  Other Government Laboratories

  Private Industry

International Institutions

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here is a short video explaining why the big bang is taught as a theory in school today... we repressed you !

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, rrober49 said:

here is a list of fusion centers working with plasma... Hope they know what it is 

 

LOL!

 

What evidence do you have that they do understand it, rrober49?

 

Do they have a working fusion reactor?

 

NO.

 

How long have they been trying to develop one?

 

About as long as astrophysicists have been looking for dark matter.


What a coincidence.

 

And what did your fusion *scientists* promise 60-70 years ago?


A working reactor in 10-20 years.

 

But the running joke back then was that it was 50 years away.

 

And their timeline now?

 

Well, they're still promising it's 10 - 20 years away.

 

But the testing at ITER (International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor), a research device to try and understand plasma, stretches out 30 years ALONE. 

 

So call me skeptical.

 

And get this ...

 

ITER is REALLY big, complicated and expensive.

 

REALLY EXPENSIVE ... $22 BILLION!!!

 

That's ITER's estimate.

 

The US Department of Energy, however, is saying it will cost $65 BILLION (https://physicstoday.scitation.org/do/10.1063/PT.6.2.20180416a/full/ ).

 

ITER will consume as much electricity as a medium sized city.

 

It will use as much water as a city of a million people.

 

AND GENERATE NO ELECTRICITY.

 

How's that for progress, rrober49?


And I think it's particularly ironic that your list does not include the one fusion device that might actually have real promise.

 

https://focusfusion.org

 

And you know why? 

Because this one is being developed by people who believe in plasma cosmology.

 

Just saying ...

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7 hours ago, rrober49 said:

largest electromagnet in the word ... we hardly know how it  works

 

Everyone can see that you're avoiding my question, rrober49.

 

Can you explain all those helically wound filaments observed out in space.

 

I don't think you can find a single source that will say astrophysicists understand them ... understand how they were created.

 

In fact, I can post lots of sources (many of them from the mainstream community) admitting that they don't understand them.

 

Shouldn't your theory explain them?

 

Whereas plasma cosmologists can explain them, as multiple sources in this thread have demonstrated.

 

In fact, plasma cosmologists even PREDICTED their existence.

 

Like I said, rrober49 ... I don't need luck.   

 

But you clearly do.   

 

:P


 

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7 hours ago, rrober49 said:

 here is a bag of plasma, did you know we found plasma on earth first ?

 

See what I mean folks?

 

rrober49 is clearly RUNNING.

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Hey rrober49 … this source (https://phys.org/news/2013-11-stars-born-filaments-tend-outweigh.html ) contains a high rez image of the L1641 clouds in Orion A:

 

starsborninf.png

 

Expand that image and you can clearly see helically wound filaments throughout it.  And other scientific articles on this cloud confirm that the filaments in these clouds are helically wound.   For example, http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v349/n6305/abs/349140a0.html?foxtrotcallback=true  “Evidence for a rotating helical filament in L1641, part of the Orion cloud complex”.  And that article states that “our viral analysis infers that the magnetic field in at least several filamentary clouds is probably helical and toroidally dominated.”  

 

And this cloud is by no means unique.  Here, for example, is a helical filament in cloud L1251: https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/abs/2016/02/aa27783-15/aa27783-15.html “A rotating helical filament in the L1251 dark cloud”.   The truth is that everywhere astronomers turn, they are finding helically wound filaments.   Here’s a 2017 paper ( https://arxiv.org/pdf/1706.04713.pdf ) on structures which they call molecular “tornadoes”.  They start off the paper saying “Recent observations near the Galactic Center (GC) have found several molecular filaments displaying striking helically wound morphology that are collectively known as molecular tornadoes”.”  

 

You can't ignore these structure, rrober49 and claim the mainstream understands plasma.    Because they are made of plasma, even those the above articles don’t mention the word “plasma” even once.     Helical winding of filaments is VERY common, rrober49.     What do you think they were talking about in a presentation ( http://herschel.esac.esa.int/SFaxz2014/Talks/11-1040_HacarA.pdf ) titled “Understanding the internal substructure of Herschel filaments”  where the cover page of the presentation clearly shows helically wound wiring as a representation of a filament?  Hmmmmmm?   Notice the statement that “filaments are not ‘monolithic objects’ but complex bundles of fibers”? And mind you, that’s a report/presentation coming from people like yourself who are trying studiously to ignore the helical wound geometry of the filaments they are studying because that would cause problems for their gravity/shock only models.   They talk solely about “gas” when they in fact are dealing with plasmas.   It’s a huge mistake in terms of modeling and understanding.   How big a mistake?  Well this article might give our readers an idea: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1702.02132.pdf .  No mention of the helical shapes in the photos it contains.   Not one mention of plasma.   And no mention of electromagnetism.   That article is a good example of Garbage In, Garbage Out.   
 

Read this article, rrober49: http://phys.org/news/2015-08-astronomers-unveil-distant-protogalaxy-cosmic.html .   It’s about a pair of closely associated protogalaxies that each have a quasar.    It is interesting for a number of reasons.   First, notice that the word “plasma” is not mentioned anywhere in it.   Again, just “gas”.  Talk about astrophysicists putting blinders on … STUCK ON STUPID.   Second, notice that they label the gas “cold” but that’s a misnomer.   It isn’t “cold”.  It’s at 10000+ C.  Because it’s not a neutral “gas”.   It’s a PLASMA.  It’s a fourth state of matter and one that acts quite differently than ordinary cold gas.  Third, notice that they are FINALLY admitting the existence of huge intergalactic filaments in the current AND past universe and are now connecting huge filaments of plasma (not "gas") in the intergalactic medium to the formation of galaxies … something that plasma cosmologists predicted 50 years ago.    And, fourth, they even have a picture of those filaments connecting the protogalaxies.  But they still can’t see the obvious.

    

Look closely at the following image:  

 

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.   You can click on the link I provided to blow it up even bigger.   If you do, you can clearly see that there isn’t just a single filament of "gas" connecting the two quasars.   There are clearly TWO filaments running into the left most quasar and out of it towards the right most quasar.   And if you look carefully at the filamentary structure between the two quasars, you can see that the two filaments are helically wound.  This is just as predicted by the plasma cosmologists for the formation of galaxies from plasma filaments carrying Birkeland currents.   Here’s a graphic

 

Electric-galaxy.jpg

 

depicting the plasma cosmologist’s (electric universe) model of galaxy formation from YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS ago.  Plasma cosmologists (Alfven and Lerner, in particular) said quasars occur when two intergalactic current carrying plasma filaments interact and wind themselves helically together thus jump starting a homopolar generator with a plasmoid at the center where all the current flowing as a result of the rotating magnetic fields is concentrated, releasing vast amounts of energy as the system further collapses due to gravity.   

 

As Lerner wrote in his 1980s book, “the energy taken from rotation and gravitational contraction of the object will go into the creation of the dense plasmoid and will be released in the beams the plasmoids create as they decay.  A quasar is thus the birth cry of a galaxy, the means by which the excess energy of rotation, which must be removed if the galaxy is to collapse, is carried away in the form of the energetic jets.  Once the galaxy forms, the same process at a lower rate rules the repetitive formation of small plasmoids at its nucleus.  The process is today generation stars in the dense filaments of the spiral arms.  The theory can explain the source of a quasar’s immense power.  The ultimate source is the rotational energy of an entire galaxy, augmented by the gravitational energy released as the galaxy contracts.  This energy is converted to electrical power by the disk-generator action and concentrated in the smaller filaments moving toward the galaxy core.  The filament pinches into a plasmoid that, for the largest quasars, might be a hundred light years across.  The visible quasar, though, is far smaller.  This is the region, a light-year or so wide, where each individual sub filament that composes the plasmoid is bursting apart as it radiates its energy and powers the emitted jets.  Just as a hydroelectric dam draws power from the water falling in a river valley, the quasar is drawing energy immediately from the plasmoid’s magnetic field, a million times larger in volume, and ultimately from the entire galaxy.  In this way the energy gained by the collapse of the galaxy is expelled as electrical energy in the quasar jets.  Without the elimination of this energy, the galaxy would never form at all.”    And note that to this day, mainstream astrophysicists can't really say how galaxies form, much less helically wound filaments.   It's still a big mystery.

 

Now the above was written by Lerner at a time when most astrophysicists were still denying that there were large intergalactic current carrying plasma filaments (which we now know is true).  The mainstream astrophysics journals rejected Lerner’s scientific papers on this subject, dismissing the analogy between galaxies and plasma focuses (which were being tested in labs at the time, by the way) as absurd.  Only when his papers were resubmitted to a small plasma physics journal did they get published.   Here’s one of those papers:  http://bigbangneverhappened.org/Magnetic Self Compression No 1.pdf .   Read it and you can clearly see for yourself how prescient Lerner (and Alfven) were ... and how blind the mainstream astrophysics community has been for the more than 30 years since.     After all, rrober49.what do you see in these images?

 

ESA_Herschel_Taurus.jpg

 

eso1209a.jpg

 

filaments_cores.jpg

 

herschel-views-the-orion-a-star-formatio

 

Star_formation_on_filaments_in_RCW106.jp

 


potw1848a.jpg

 

I'll tell you what you should be able to see ... helically wound filaments ... EVERYWHERE.   The mainstream mostly tries to ignore the VERY IMPORTANT helical winding, but at least the mainstream is now admitting there are filaments out there.   That's an major change.    In fact, Philippe André, Principal Investigator for the Herschel Gould Belt Survey, said this - The greatest surprise was the ubiquity of filaments in these nearby clouds and their intimate connection with star formation.”  


Consider this mainstream source: http://phys.org/news/2013-11-stars-born-filaments-tend-outweigh.html , which states that “the Herschel Space Observatory has revealed that the star forming sites across the Milky Way are riddled with filaments: tube-like structures of gas and dust that span tens of parsecs [1 parsec = 3.26 light-years] within molecular clouds. Although the existence of such structures has been known for quite a few years, this is the first time that we can resolve them and start exploring their nature and properties, thanks to this ESA satellite.”   It's important that you understand, rrober49, that plasma cosmologists PREDICTED the existence of these filaments ... but the mainstream would not listen.   Only when confronted with photographic proof did they finally admit there were filaments out there.

 

Here’s an even better mainstream article about Herschel results:   http://phys.org/news/2015-05-herschel-filaments-milky.html   “Herschel's hunt for filaments in the Milky Way.    Observations with ESA's Herschel space observatory have revealed that our Galaxy is threaded with filamentary structures on every length scale. From nearby clouds hosting tangles of filaments a few light-years long to gigantic structures stretching hundreds of light-years across the Milky Way's spiral arms, they appear to be truly ubiquitous. The Herschel data have rekindled the interest of astronomers in studying filaments, emphasizing the crucial role of these structures in the process of star formation.”    That is EXACTLY what plasma cosmologists predicted would be observed if mainstream astronomers took the time to look.   EXACTLY.   And yes, they are CRUCIAL to the process of star formation.   Plasma cosmologists know why.  The mainstream astrophysicists do NOT.   That's why I'm asking you how they are formed, rrober49.
 
The above article goes on to say this:

 

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In the search for answers, astronomers observe giant molecular clouds, the cosmic incubators where gas and dust are transformed into stars. While these studies are performed using a variety of techniques, one crucial approach is the observation of infrared light, since the interstellar material shines brightly at these long wavelengths.
 
In this context, ESA's Herschel space observatory has been a true game changer. Probing the portion of the electromagnetic spectrum that ranges from the far-infrared to sub-millimetre wavelengths, it has collected unprecedented data during its three and a half years of observing. One of the key aspects that emerged from these observations is the presence of a filamentary network nearly everywhere in our Galaxy's interstellar medium. The picture that is emerging is that these structures are closely linked to the formation of stars. 
 
Prior to Herschel, astronomers had already identified several filaments in interstellar clouds and recognized their potential importance for star formation. However, only with the increased sensitivity and spatial resolution granted by this observatory, combined with its large-scale surveys, could they reveal the full extent of filamentary patterns in the Milky Way.
 
One of the surveys performed with Herschel – the Gould Belt Survey – focussed on a giant ring of star-forming regions, all located no more than 1500 light-years away from the Sun. The vicinity of these clouds allowed astronomers to obtain exceptionally detailed images using Herschel, unearthing intricate webs of filaments in each region that they examined.
 
“The greatest surprise was the ubiquity of filaments in these nearby clouds and their intimate connection with star formation," explains Philippe André from CEA/IRFU, France, Principal Investigator for the Herschel Gould Belt Survey.

 

Oh my goodness ...  :o ... "the UBIQUITY of filaments".
 

Continuing …

 

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"But there is more: these observations revealed that filaments, which may extend to several light-years in length, appear to have a universal width of about one third of a light year. This suggests that something fundamental is lurking underneath."
 
The astronomers are still trying to understand the details of the star formation processes taking place in these clouds, aided by the abundance and variety of data collected with Herschel.
 
While most filaments are dotted with compact cores, suggesting that stars are readily taking shape in these dense 'fibres' of the interstellar medium, there are also regions that exhibit complex tangles of filaments but no signs of on-going star formation. A study of the most spectacular example of this phenomenon, the Polaris Flare, indicates that filaments must somehow precede the onset of star formation.

 

Hey … that is just what plasma cosmologists PREDICTED would be the case.   And they know what precedes the onset of star formation.  

 

But the mainstream won't listen.   Because they are STUCK ON STUPID ... like you are, apparently.

 

Continuing …

 

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The scenario that has emerged from the new Herschel data suggests that star formation proceeds in two steps: first, turbulent motions of the interstellar gas and dust create an intricate web of filamentary structures; then, gravity takes over, causing only the densest filaments to contract and fragment, eventually leading to the formation of stars.

 

Notice?   Gas, dust, turbulence, gravity ... but the biggest force of all ... electromagnetism ... and the effect that has on plasma is not mentioned.   Mainstream astrophysicists have horse blinders on.  They are doing nothing but hand waving in claiming that turbulence and gravity result in star formation.   Because they can't even explain the helical winding.   And the helical winding is CRUCIAL to star formation ... just like it is to galaxy formation.


Continuing ...

 

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Indeed, the universal width of filaments seems to correspond, at least in the nearby clouds of the Gould Belt Survey, to the scale at which interstellar material undergoes the transition from supersonic to subsonic state.
 
In addition, the material along filaments is not at all static: astronomers have detected what appear to be accretion flows, with the most prominent filaments drawing matter from their surroundings through a network of smaller filaments. A striking example of such processes is seen in the Taurus Molecular Cloud, where the B211/B213 filament exhibits a series of so-called 'striations' perpendicular to the main filament.
 
This pattern is very similar to that predicted from numerical simulations that model the process of star formation in molecular clouds. According to these simulations, interstellar material flows towards dense filaments along routes that are parallel to the direction of the local magnetic field, as was observed, so the new data indicate the importance of interstellar magnetic fields in shaping these structures.

 

LOL!   Tell us ...  rrober49, aren't magnetic fields a product of electromagnetic effects?  Of current moving in plasma?    

 

Gee ... don't you think there might be a clue there for the mainstream's so-called *scientists* to grab on to?  

 

One would think ... B)

 

Continuing …

 

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Another of Herschel's key findings is that the presence and abundance of filaments are not limited to our immediate neighbourhood. In fact, these structures appear everywhere also in the Herschel infrared Galactic Plane Survey (Hi-GAL), which scanned the distribution of the interstellar medium in the huge disc – about 100 000 light-years across – where most of the Milky Way's stars form and reside.
 
"We detected a wealth of huge filaments, with lengths ranging from a few to a hundred light-years, revealing what seems to be the 'skeleton' of our Galaxy," explains Sergio Molinari from IAPS/INAF, Italy, Principal Investigator for the Hi-GAL Project.
 
"While it is possible that these structures arose from different physical processes than those giving rise to the small-scale filaments observed in the Sun's vicinity, the omnipresent aspect of filamentary structures in the Milky Way is beyond doubt."

 

In the post-Herschel era, one thing is certain: filaments play a leading role in the build-up of galactic material, creating favourable hubs for the formation of stars. This is likely a hierarchical process, starting on very large scales and propagating onwards, to smaller and smaller scales, funnelling interstellar gas and dust into increasingly denser concentrations and thus fostering stellar birth across the Galaxy.

 

Large-scale filaments fragmenting into compact cores that later evolve into stars have been detected all across the Galactic Plane, even in its outermost, peripheral regions. As filaments grow more massive, the material within them contracts and forms smaller structures, preserving the filamentary pattern on all length scales.
 
Further investigation of the Hi-GAL survey has revealed new and even more prominent filaments, extending over hundreds of light-years and weaving their way through the spiral arms of the Milky Way. [The study revealed nine filaments in some very dense, inner regions of the Galactic Plane, detecting these for the first time through the direct emission of dust within them, allowing an accurate determination of their mass, size and physical characteristics. Astronomers believe that almost a hundred similar, gigantic structures are still hiding in the data.
 

 

Gee, rrober49 ... do you suppose that  "skeleton" might be significant in another way?   Because filaments carrying current back to the core are a central part of Alfven's model of galaxies.

 

The above proves that filaments are indeed “ubiquitous” and even the mainstream’s top astrophysicists were finally forced to admit it.  And it’s not just in intergalactic space that astronomers found unexpected (to mainstream astrophysicists) filaments.   Consider the recent NASA discovery of the IBEX Ribbon.    When it was announced, David McComas, the principle IBEX investigator, said "This is a shocking new result.   We had no idea this ribbon existed–or what has created it. Our previous ideas about the outer heliosphere are going to have to be revised.”  And noting that the ribbon runs perpendicular to the direction of the galactic magnetic field, McComas said "That cannot be a coincidence."  But he didn't understand what it means.   Instead, he remarked "We're missing some fundamental aspect of the interaction between the heliosphere and the rest of the galaxy."  Well I'll say.  What he and the other investigators were and still are missing are the physics that Alfven and the rest of electric universe community have been trying to point out to them for 50 years.  They're still thinking in terms of neutral particles, mechanical effects and gravity.   They just keep making the same mistake over and over and over.

 

The filamentation observed at the boundary of our solar system is not what was expected by the mainstream.   But it was anticipated by electric universe theorists.  Here is a report on the largest computer model the mainstream had built for the universe up till 2007: http://www.physorg.com/news116170410.html .   While noting that "much of the gaseous mass of the universe is bound up in a tangled web of cosmic filaments that stretch for hundreds of millions of light-years", the report didn't ONCE refer to the material in the filaments as being "plasma", nor did it recognize that electromagnetic effects naturally tend to organize plasmas into long filaments.  The model didn't include any of those effects ... only gravity.   And THAT, in a nutshell, is the problem with the mainstream.   They have their head in the sand.  There is now so much imagery (I know, you prefer esoteric math to photos) of helically wound filaments and even stars forming along such filaments, that there can be no other explanation for their not seeing the obvious by now. 

 

Here's a great image that shows stars forming along filaments ... indeed, helically wound pairs of filaments if you look close:

 

Cold_gas_in_the_Milky_Way.jpg

 

Here’s an even better image from the Hershel database of filaments in that star nursery (From http://inspirehep.net/record/1255052/plots )  :
 
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Look at the bottom filament.  If you don’t see the characteristic spiraling double helix structure of Birkeland filaments, then you’re willfully blind, rrober49.  If you don’t see the stars forming along those filaments, you’re blind.  And you cannot explain that using gravity, turbulence, "wind" or any of the dumb gnomes the mainstream relies on.   They show the presence of BIRKELAND CURRENTS ... and the implications of that will revolutionize astrophysics if that community ever finally begins to listen to what the OBSERVATIONAL DATA is saying ...
 

Here’s a beautiful picture of the Veil Nebula:

 

Revisiting_the_Veil_Nebula.jpg

 

The mainstream astrophysics community has been unable to offer a convincing explanation for the helical winding of the filaments seen in the upper right portion of that image.  I dare you to find one, rrober49.    Give it a go.  Tell us exactly how the helical structure in the Veil results from shock, winds and/or turbulence, as the mainstream theorists claim?   No hand waving allowed.    I don’t think you can whereas I, a layman, clearly see the interaction of two current carrying Birkeland filaments in that image.  Such filaments are a fundamental part of the cosmology that you seem to be simply dismissing out of hand.   To me, that image is proof that the EU theorists are right … and not the gnome-loving mainstream that you so adore.

  

Since modern day astronomers have been taught (indoctrinated) in sterile university environments controlled by the *It’s All Gravity* believers, they likely never even heard of Birkeland currents, Bennet pinches, double layers, and the theories of Plasma Cosmologists like Hannes Alfven.  Have you?    So it’s no wonder they (and you) don’t understand how helically wound filaments are formed (they think it’s by gravity or *wind*) and why they/you don't see their importance in forming stars.  It’s no wonder they are just now even getting around to even taking a close look at filaments.  It’s no wonder they publish garbage like this, http://herschel.esac.esa.int/SFaxz2014/Talks/11-1040_HacarA.pdf , which doesn’t even contain the words plasma or Birkeland.  It’s no wonder they miss the significance of multiple what they call “subcritical” filaments making up what they call “critical” filaments (i.e., the ones that form stars).  It’s no wonder they miss the significance of polarization vectors along the filaments that are perpendicular to filaments     

 

ppvi_ph_andre_fig3.png

 

.   They indicate electric currents are traveling down the filaments and producing magnetic fields.   And filaments with magnetic fields will interact.   It’s no wonder the mainstream misses the significance of the spiral/helix structure in those filaments (even though it’s been staring them in the face for decades on decades). They miss all that because their *education* has the words “gas” and “gravity” bouncing around in their Big Bang brainwashed brains and little else.  That and “dark matter” and “black holes”.    They've probably never studied Birkeland currents.   Or interacting Birkeland currents.   Because filaments were a complete surprise to mainstream astrophysicists, rrober49.  Their gravity only math didn’t predict them.    

 

But Electric Universe proponents weren’t surprised at all.  In fact, they predicted them, years and years and years ago.   They said the universe would be filamentary.     One of the great predictions of our time.   And the mainstream wouldn't listen.    So again, rrober49 ... here’s the challenge for your gnome filled *physics* and YOUR version of the God of Math.  If you want to stay in this conversation.    Explain how gravity and shock create the many helically wound filaments that you see above.   Do that and I might support you more.    Just saying … :lol:
 

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Sorry but your problem lies within your electromagnetism. That is why we left earth and you had to stay

 

it has been the only thing hold back the idea for a long long long time

 

the effort we have invested to try and make it work the way you suggest

 

to see electromagnetism in use  on the scale it is today and not notice how everything you use today would work vastly better if only you were right 

 

 like we dont want a faster bullet train ?

 

even if we filled a static universe with plasma , electromagnetism, still would not work the way you want it to

 

 outer space can not help electromagnetism anymore then it has

 

not even a static universe would help electromagnetism do what you suggest

 

the problem you face has nothing to do with being right about anything you suggest

 

 Not like we did, not want it to work. as it is being used everyday by everyone on earth 

 

 that is why everyone is working on fusion to move forward while very few are trying to make a sun in lab

 

 I know if we reach fusion the way all those lab are trying to, will kill your theory 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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11 hours ago, rrober49 said:

... snip a post full of gobbledegook ...

 

As you can see folks, rrober49 has now left the debate.  

 

That's because he finds that he can't answer my very straight forward question.  

 

And he can't find any of his vaunted mainstream physicists who have either.

 

He/they can't explain how gravity, turbulence, *wind* and a thousand GNOMES (i.e., esoteric math) created the ubiquitous helically wound filaments that we see at all scales.

 

Just saying ...  B)

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bennit pinch is used in fusion just saying

 

 200 labs trying to use the bennit pinch in fusion to power the world

 

 1 lab using the bennit pinch to prove the sun is electric

 

 win all you want so long as it is for the good of man

 

 I wont be back so have your last words or go on with out me please

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, rrober49 said:

bennit pinch is used in fusion just saying

 

That's BennEtt pinch.   

 

9 hours ago, rrober49 said:

 I wont be back so have your last words or go on with out me please

 

As you wish.

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From July ...

 

https://scitechdaily.com/something-mysterious-is-going-on-at-the-sun/

 

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Something Mysterious is Going on at the Sun – The Curious Case of the Hot Corona


Something mysterious is going on at the Sun. In defiance of all logic, its atmosphere gets much, much hotter the farther it stretches from the Sun’s blazing surface.


Temperatures in the corona — the tenuous, outermost layer of the solar atmosphere — spike upwards of 2 million degrees Fahrenheit, while just 1,000 miles below, the underlying surface simmers at a balmy 10,000 F. How the Sun manages this feat remains one of the greatest unanswered questions in astrophysics; scientists call it the coronal heating problem. A new, landmark mission, NASA’s Parker Solar Probe — scheduled to launch no earlier than Aug. 11, 2018 — will fly through the corona itself, seeking clues to its behavior and offering the chance for scientists to solve this mystery.


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“I think of the coronal heating problem as an umbrella that covers a couple of related confusing problems,” said Justin Kasper, a space scientist at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor. Kasper is also principal investigator for SWEAP, short for the Solar Wind Electrons Alphas and Protons Investigation, an instrument suite aboard Parker Solar Probe. “First, how does the corona get that hot that quickly? But the second part of the problem is that it doesn’t just start, it keeps going. And not only does heating continue, but different elements are heated at different rates.” It’s an intriguing hint at what’s going on with heating in the Sun.

 


What’s sad is that this article doesn’t even mention the Safire Experiment … which is showing the same behavior as observed (hotter corona than sun).   The mainstream doesn’t seem to realize that their effort to gather data (the Parker Solar Probe) is sowing the seeds that will topple the mainstream’s theories about the sun … just as the Hubble Telescope and its discovery of ubiquitous helically wound filaments is sowing the seeds that will topple the mainstream’s theories about dark matter, black holes, magnetism and the like. 

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Regarding Dark Fluid, this is worth a watch …

 

 

 

As noted in the video, this new gnome, replacing dark matter and dark energy, includes  …

 

- Negative Mass to cause the universe’s expansion to accelerate
- Negative masses repel one another
- Continuous Matter Creation (only for negative mass) to keep the universe’s density constant
 

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Now, for a far more rational idea … Birkeland Currents negate the need for Dark Matter ...

 

 


And meanwhile … yet another problem for the mainstream black hole theory …


http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Mystery_of_Black_Hole_Coronae_Deepens_999.html

 

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Mystery of Black Hole Coronae Deepens


Researchers from RIKEN and JAXA have used observations from the ALMA radio observatory located in northern Chile and managed by an international consortium including the National Astronomical Observatory of Japan (NAOJ) to measure, for the first time, the strength of magnetic fields near two supermassive black holes at the centers of an important type of active galaxies.


Surprisingly, the strengths of the magnetic fields do not appear sufficient to power the "coronae," clouds of superheated plasma that are observed around the black holes at the centers of those galaxies.


It has long been known that the supermassive black holes that lie at the centers of galaxies, sometimes outshining their host galaxies, have coronae of superheated plasma around them, similar to the corona around the Sun. For black holes, these coronae can be heated to a phenomenal temperature of one billion degrees Celsius. It was long assumed that, like that of the Sun, the coronae were heated by magnetic field energies. However, these magnetic fields had never been measured around black holes, leaving uncertainty regarding the exact mechanism.


In a 2014 paper, the research group predicted that electrons in the plasma surrounding the black holes would emit a special kind of light, known as synchrotron radiation, as they exist together with the magnetic forces in the coronae. Specifically, this radiation would be in the radio band, meaning electromagnetic waves with a long wavelength and low frequency. And the group set out to measure these fields.


They decided to look at data from two "nearby," in astronomical terms, active galactic nuclei: IC 4329A, which is about 200 million light-years away, and NGC 985, which is approximately 580 million light-years away.


They began by taking measurements using the ALMA observatory in Chile, and then compared them to observations from two other radio telescopes: the VLA observatory in the United States and the ATCA observatory in Australia, which measure slightly different frequency bands. The team found that indeed there was an excess of radio emission originating from synchrotron radiation, in addition to emissions from the "jets" cast out by the black holes.


Through the observations, the team deduced that the coronae had a size of about 40 Schwarzschild radii, the radius of a black hole from which not even light can escape, and a strength of about 10 gauss, a figure that is a bit more than the magnetic field at the surface of the Earth but quite a bit less than that given out by a typical refrigerator magnet.


"The surprise," says Yoshiyuki Inoue, the lead author of the paper, published in The Astrophysical Journal, "is that although we confirmed the emission of radio synchrotron radiation from the corona in both objects, it turns out that the magnetic field we measured is much too weak to be able to drive the intense heating of the coronae around these black holes." He also notes that the same phenomenon was observed in both galaxies, implying that it could be a general phenomenon.

 

 


Oh my ... :o

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Now ... an article from last year …


https://phys.org/news/2017-03-supersonic-plasma-jets.html

 

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Supersonic plasma jets discovered


Information from ESA's magnetic field Swarm mission has led to the discovery of supersonic plasma jets high up in our atmosphere that can push temperatures up to almost 10 000°C.


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Presenting these findings at this week's Swarm Science Meeting in Canada, scientists from the University of Calgary explained how they used measurements from the trio of Swarm satellites to build on what was known about vast sheets of electric current in the upper atmosphere.


The theory that there are huge electric currents, powered by solar wind and guided through the ionosphere by Earth's magnetic field, was postulated more than a century ago by Norwegian scientist Kristian Birkeland.


It wasn't until the 1970s, after the advent of satellites, however, that these 'Birkeland currents' were confirmed by direct measurements in space.


These currents carry up to 1 TW of electric power to the upper atmosphere – about 30 times the energy consumed in New York during a heatwave.


They are also responsible for 'aurora arcs', the familiar, slow-moving green curtains of light that can extend from horizon to horizon.


While much is known about these current systems, recent observations by Swarm have revealed that they are associated with large electrical fields.


These fields, which are strongest in the winter, occur where upwards and downwards Birkeland currents connect through the ionosphere.


Bill Archer from the University of Calgary explained, "Using data from the Swarm satellites' electric field instruments, we discovered that these strong electric fields drive supersonic plasma jets.


"The jets, which we call 'Birkeland current boundary flows', mark distinctly the boundary between current sheets moving in opposite direction and lead to extreme conditions in the upper atmosphere.


"They can drive the ionosphere to temperatures approaching 10 000°C and change its chemical composition. They also cause the ionosphere to flow upwards to higher altitudes where additional energisation can lead to loss of atmospheric material to space."

 

 

Say … didn’t I mention 10000 °C in another recent this thread?  Why yes, in talking about evidence of a Birkeland current between to protogalaxies.    What a coincidence.

 

And one more thing .. remember that Birkeland and his theory (that electric currents from the sun acting on plasma around the earth cause auroras) was criticized by mainstream physicists when he proposed what has just been discovered.   His worst critic was a mathematician (math is king, right, rrober49?) named Sydney Chapman, who had developed the leading (but wrong) mainstream theory of auroras at the time.   Chapman was so dead set against Birkeland’s aurora theory that when he visited Hannes Alfven, and Alfven attempted to show him Birkeland’s terrella experiment in the lab in attempt to sway him on the matter, Chapman refused to even look at the experiment.    Well that’s EXACTLY how the mainstream has been behaving towards plasma universe/cosmology ideas and the evidence used to support it, folks.    Cults die hard.   In fact, it was about 15 years after Birkeland’s death before Chapman finally admitted that Birkeland’s theory was correct … yet, even in 1967, Chapman was still belittling Birkeland and his work.   Yes, mainstream cults die hard, folks ... whether they involve astrophysics or climateology.   And talk about the mainstream astrophysics cult dying hard?  Here's another example ...


https://phys.org/news/2018-09-magnetic-chaos-star-forming-clouds.html

 

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Magnetic waves create chaos in star-forming clouds

 

New research by Stella Offner, assistant professor of astronomy at The University of Texas at Austin, finds that magnetic waves are an important factor driving the process of star formation within the enormous clouds that birth stars. Her research sheds light on the processes that are responsible for setting the properties of stars, which in turn affects the formation of planets orbiting them, and, ultimately, life on those planets. The research is published in the current issue of the journal Nature Astronomy.


Offner used a supercomputer to make models of the multitude of processes happening inside a cloud where stars are forming, in an effort to sort out which processes lead to which effects.


"These clouds are violent places," Offner said. "It's an extreme environment with all kinds of different physics happening at once," including gravity and turbulence as well as radiation and winds from forming stars (called stellar feedback). The fundamental question, Offner said, is: "Why are the motions in these clouds so violent?"


Some astronomers attribute the observed motions to gravitational collapse, while others attribute it to turbulence and stellar feedback. Offner wanted to test these theories and study how stars shape their birth environment, but it's virtually impossible to use telescope observations of these clouds to separate the influence of the various processes, she said.

"That's why we need computer models," Offner explained.


After comparing models of clouds with gravity, magnetic fields, and stars, Offner noticed extra motions.


Her models showed that stellar winds interacting with the cloud magnetic field generated energy and influenced gas at far greater distances across the cloud than previously thought: These local magnetic fields caused action at a distance.


"Think of the magnetic fields like rubber bands that stretch across the cloud," Offner said. "The winds push the field—it's like rubber bands being plucked. The waves outrun the wind and cause distant motions."


This research has implications for the tug-of-war between feedback—that is, the effect that the newly formed star has on its environment—and gravity on the scale of solar systems up to entire galaxies, Offner said.

 


Look whats missing from Offner's model, folks.  

 

Plasma, Birkeland (electric) Currents, Marklund Convection, Bennett Pinches, Double Layers.  

 

You know, the usual physics.  

 

So instead we get a model that talks about winds, rubber bands and waves.  

 

LOL!     

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https://www.livescience.com/614-record-set-hottest-temperature-earth-3-6-billion-degrees-lab.html

 

 10,000 ohhhhh awwwwww

 

 lol you think I like science 

 

 blow up the world 35 times over as it sinks and tells us WE CAN FIX IT and then we have you telling us you need more money to look at the sun

 

 you think I like science ? 

 

If what ever Idea you have that cant be of use to me in the next hundred years then you do not want to use me as a way to elaborate on your ideas

 

 how do we get this electricity in our hands ?

 

 do not care why your right

 

 HOW CAN WE GET IT NOW ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, rrober49 said:

 

... snip ...

 

 

You're back?  Nah ... not really ... not seriously.  Surely you didn't expect a response to THAT ^^^^.  B)

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look power a freaking light bulb with all your electricy thats out there, or do you need more plasma ?

 

 so get on with you story about the comment venus and how the moon heats it 

 

  like that would be useful to more prove too

 

planets sinking got any usefull ideas ? ohhh wait you got issues with greenhouse warming too ?

 

 

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8 hours ago, rrober49 said:

.... snip ...

 

Now you're simply coming across like a raving lunatic.    Just saying ...

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On 12/17/2018 at 9:51 PM, BeAChooser said:

These currents carry up to 1 TW of electric power to the upper atmosphere – about 30 times the energy consumed in New York during a heatwave.

 

 why cant you use this electricity  that is right over us ?

 

 

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