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What you think about Jesus ? We know Jesus comes again the world to destroy the anti-Christ.When it occur.Is it the time the second coming of Jesus ?

 

There have been many reports by credible people that Jesus personally appeared and spoke of his imminent return. They have described being escorted to both heaven and hell … and told that most people end up in hell… based on their response to Gods free offer of life through accepting Jesus as the only true savior/ Son of God and then actively following his teachings in the Bible through the direct guidance of the Holy Spirit. In one report the person stated that Jesus said that all is now ready to take his people home … except for the people themselves… Jesus cannot/ will not accept anyone that has not prepared themselves and he has stated that God, the Father, has withheld sending his Son, this time, in order to give people more time to get right.

 

I will continue the conversation based on how courteous you and others choose to be.

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JESUS, is GOD in Most O.T. cases. ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM, is N.T. HE Is GOD. He lived sinlessly, Adam could not. He died sinless to pay the WAGES OF SIN for YOU.

And the Easter Bunny hides colored eggs in your house. Whatever.

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Do you know about Barnabas Bible ?......

Old testaments...

New testaments ...

Which is the Next...???

 

I hope this is a serious inquiry, otherwise I waste my time.

 

God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit are one and the same, so it is necessary to understand both the Old and New Testament to truly understand the Trinity.

 

I believe the Bible is the divinely inspired word of God.

 

I believe the best compilation of the Bible is the King James version of the Bible.

 

I believe there is an active program by Atheists to discredit the Bible and destroy the authority of God.

 

The Gospel of Barnabas is a book depicting the life of Jesus, and claiming to be by Jesus' disciple Barnabas, who in this work is one of the twelve apostles. Two manuscripts are known to have existed, both dated to the late 16th century and written respectively in Italian and in Spanish—although the Spanish manuscript is now lost, its text surviving only in a partial 18th-century transcript. Barnabas is about the same length as the four Canonical gospels put together (the Italian manuscript has 222 chapters, compared with 16 in Mark), with the bulk being devoted to an account of Jesus' ministry, much of it harmonized from accounts also found in the canonical gospels. In some key respects, it conforms to the Islamic interpretation of Christian origins and contradicts the New Testament teachings of Christianity.

 

The Barnabas Bible would seem to be a part of an active program by Atheists to discredit the Bible and destroy the authority of God.

 

Do you have any specific questions?

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JESUS, is GOD in Most O.T. cases. ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM, is N.T. HE Is GOD. He lived sinlessly, Adam could not. He died sinless to pay the WAGES OF SIN for YOU.

 

With all due respect....So??? Let me RAPIDLY repeat again, no disrespect or rudeness is meant, but so WHAT if Jesus died "for us"? I mean, yes, it is certainly the most kind and loving thing he or ANYONE could do but that's my whole point. Literally MILLIONS have done this, that is, died for others, as well as Jesus. Admittedly, he may have been GOD as well as man, but how does that make his sacrifice greater? Seems to me, it actually makes it less, because he knew he wasn't really dying, just napping for the weekend really

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With all due respect....So??? Let me RAPIDLY repeat again, no disrespect or rudeness is meant, but so WHAT if Jesus died "for us"? I mean, yes, it is certainly the most kind and loving thing he or ANYONE could do but that's my whole point. Literally MILLIONS have done this, that is, died for others, as well as Jesus. Admittedly, he may have been GOD as well as man, but how does that make his sacrifice greater? Seems to me, it actually makes it less, because he knew he wasn't really dying, just napping for the weekend really

 

But Jesus was killed, even though Jesus had not committed any sin nor was Jesus conceived in sin.

 

All other people deserve death, because they have committed sin.

 

God cannot look on sin, thus the sins of a person must be forgiven in order for a person to be in Heaven with God.

 

A persons sins are forgiven when they accept Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior and commit to following the commandments/doctrines of the Bible.

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And the Easter Bunny hides colored eggs in your house. Whatever.

Easter is The Passover, not a liberal creation that is being crammed down our throats, on every CHRISTIAN holiday. Christ mas you x out you bunny hop around Passover, ever wonder why humanists chose a hopper huh? Thanksgiving is turkey day, not much Thanking GOD for HIS GRACE, by your lib pals either. You support a position that distorts the real meaning of Holy Days. So you are not remotely funny. You are however, sadly ignorant.

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With all due respect....So??? Let me RAPIDLY repeat again, no disrespect or rudeness is meant, but so WHAT if Jesus died "for us"? I mean, yes, it is certainly the most kind and loving thing he or ANYONE could do but that's my whole point. Literally MILLIONS have done this, that is, died for others, as well as Jesus. Admittedly, he may have been GOD as well as man, but how does that make his sacrifice greater? Seems to me, it actually makes it less, because he knew he wasn't really dying, just napping for the weekend really

You prove your own ignorance here.

The wages or repayment for sin is death. If you do not redeem yourself to GOD you will die a second death and eternal torment. Jesus did not sin, ever. By killing a sinless man satan paid Jesus a wage of death Jesus did not owe. In doing so he allowed Jesus to stand up for you and redeem you. You cannot do that yourself, only by believing in HIM and turning from sin will He do it for you. No other route to heavens exists now.

As for the weekend nap. You had to get really low for that viewpoint. He died a much more horrible death than a crucifixtion could sneeze at. He was gven the burden of all the sins of humanity at one instant. He was abandoned by The Father at that moment. He felt all of the guilt and pain ever experienced by all people on earth then and forever. The total seperation from The Father was even worse. Think total nothingness, how lonely would it make you? Real inconsiderate and ugly question my friend.

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Are you people really so ignorant and gullible that you believe this God/Jesus fairytale.

GOD is a GOD of Truth (Deuteronomy 32:4)

 

The CREATOR, the only Wise and ETERNAL GOD is a SPIRIT.

 

HE is the same yesterday as HE is today as HE will always Be unto man that dwells inside this finite body of space we call the Universe.

There is no God, and no real proof that Jesus the man ever existed. You're welcome. :rolleyes:

I AM JESUS CHRIST!

Well Click on the LINK, but before you do ask yourself one question, do you feel lucky?

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GOD is a GOD of Truth (Deuteronomy 32:4)

 

The CREATOR, the only Wise and ETERNAL GOD is a SPIRIT.

 

HE is the same yesterday as HE is today as HE will always Be unto man that dwells inside this finite body of space we call the Universe.

 

I AM JESUS CHRIST!

Well Click on the LINK, but before you do ask yourself one question, do you feel lucky?

Do you even realize how crazy you sound? I'm not trying to be mean, I just wish you could see this with someone else's eyes.

 

 

I AM JESUS CHRIST!

Well Click on the LINK, but before you do ask yourself one question, do you feel lucky?

 

So you think by going on some religious website I'm going to what? Start believing in God? Accept Jesus into my heart? I can probably find a website for Santa Clause if I Googled it, should I believe in him too?

 

"do you feel lucky?" Are you Clint Eastwood? Do you think you are talking to a chair right now??? :lol:

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Do you even realize how crazy you sound? I'm not trying to be mean, I just wish you could see this with someone else's eyes.

 

If this is the craziest, then I consider myself lucky.

 

So you think by going on some religious website I'm going to what? Start believing in God? Accept Jesus into my heart?

 

Nope, nobody seeks the Truth unless the Spirit draws them.

 

I can probably find a website for Santa Clause if I Googled it, should I believe in him too?

 

Who else brought you the right to LIFE, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS

"do you feel lucky?" Are you Clint Eastwood? Do you think you are talking to a chair right now??? :lol:

 

See, after they have taken away your rights, your property, your money....then they will take away your thoughts.

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If this is the craziest, then I consider myself lucky.

 

 

 

Nope, nobody seeks the Truth unless the Spirit draws them.

 

 

 

Who else brought you the right to LIFE, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS

 

 

See, after they have taken away your rights, your property, your money....then they will take away your thoughts.

 

Wow this is amazing. Everytime you reply you make less sense. Your first comment "If this is the craziest, then I consider myself luck." sounds like a philosophy of Charles Manson (who was a Christian, by the way).

 

Why wouldn't "the Spirit" draw everyone to the truth? Does your god not want everyone to be saved?

 

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit Of Happiness is not in the Bible. Actually God spent most of his time killing entire groups of people that were happy and the rest of his time torturing his most devoted followers. Life was given to me through a series of events, the most recent of which was my dad screwing my mom. Do you believe in the stork as well?

 

Who? Who is going to take away my rights, property, money, and thoughts? I was comparing you to Clint Eastwood talking to the chair because neither of you make any sense (though at least I respect Clint as an actor) What the hell are you even talking about?

 

Trust me, I was raised Christian before I reached the age of reason. From your POV what your saying might make sense, but as someone who used to believe that crap but saw the light, it doesn't make sense.

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Why wouldn't "the Spirit" draw everyone to the truth? Does your god not want everyone to be saved?

 

 

 

It says very clearly in the Bible that God wants everyone to "be saved" … "The Spirit" of God gives everyone the same chance to accept or reject the truth. … It is people that first choose freely to reject God ... and not the reverse.

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It says very clearly in the Bible that God wants everyone to "be saved" … "The Spirit" of God gives everyone the same chance to accept or reject the truth. … It is people that first choose freely to reject God ... and not the reverse.

That was not a serious question but a response to: "Nope, nobody seeks the Truth unless the Spirit draws them"

 

And rather or not what the Bible says is written clearly is irrelevant as it is a fictional book written not by "god" but by men. And by men I mean people with penises.

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Wow this isamazing. Everytime you reply you make less sense.

 

 

 

"the bigger

the mansion, the bigger mansion."

AZ

 

Your first comment "If this is the craziest, then Iconsider myself lucky." sounds like a philosophy of Charles Manson (whowas a Christian, by the way).

 

To be perfectlycandid, I do not know the philosophy of Charles Manson; but if I said I did, thenI would consider that the craziest. Did you convert before you were a Christianor after.

 

 

 

Trust me, I was raised Christianbefore I reached the age of reason. From your POV what your saying might makesense, but as someone who used to believe that crap but saw the light, itdoesn't make sense.

 

believe me, pilgrim,trust is based upon faith, I don't question the infallibility of truth and asoul without principles is like flesh with a spine. I believe that you saw the light, but if allyou saw was the light then how does that differ from that light you saw in that"crap" as you call it.

 

Who? Who is going to take away my rights,property, money, and thoughts?

 

You're the one that saw the light and you're asking me?

 

I was comparing you to Clint Eastwood talkingto the chair because neither of you make any sense (though at least I respectClint as an actor) What the hell are you even talking about?

 

It is apparent that my comment hasobviously caused you distress and it wasn't my intention to cause you anyfear. Since you now are not even surewhat the topic was, it was about the lack of principle in your comments, youprobably didn't even click on the link.

 

 

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"the bigger

the mansion, the bigger mansion."

AZ

 

 

To be perfectlycandid, I do not know the philosophy of Charles Manson; but if I said I did, thenI would consider that the craziest. Did you convert before you were a Christianor after.

 

 

 

 

 

believe me, pilgrim,trust is based upon faith, I don't question the infallibility of truth and asoul without principles is like flesh with a spine. I believe that you saw the light, but if allyou saw was the light then how does that differ from that light you saw in that"crap" as you call it.

 

 

You're the one that saw the light and you're asking me?

 

 

It is apparent that my comment hasobviously caused you distress and it wasn't my intention to cause you anyfear. Since you now are not even surewhat the topic was, it was about the lack of principle in your comments, youprobably didn't even click on the link.

 

Okay, I'm going to attempt to respond to what little of this insane ramble I can make sense of...

 

If you're suggesting that I'm a follower of Charles Manson you're even dumber than I thought. I don't know all the things going on in that crazy man's head but that he is a Christian and believes in "god". I know this simply by learning a little bit about that whole deal. It did make headlines, ya know... So over time I watched a couple docs on it, read some stuff and watched a few interviews with him because I like to learn about stuff. Okay, I know you're probably confused, learning is what we sane people do while you christians are in a church thinking you're drinking the blood of a 2000 year old man.

 

I never saw any light in that crap. I was born into a chritian family and raised as one. It was nothing more than brainwashing me at an early age. Not my parents fault, they had been brainwashed too and their parents before them etc etc. I believed in "god" but saw no light in it. Even at a very young age I questioned things that just didn't make sense. When I finally came to terms with the fact that it was all BS I knew I had seen the light. And I feel sorry for people like my parents and you who probably never will.

 

"pilgrim"? Who the hell are you, John Wayne?

 

"distress"? "fear"? :lol: Trust me buddy, there is little I fear in this world especially a comment from you. Thanks for the good laugh though :rolleyes:

 

Oh I know what the topic is, you're defending your faith in fairytales while I'm attempting to be a rational person. What I don't understand is the ramblings of a crazy person. Just proof that faith in "god" is a mental disorder.

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And by men I mean people with p.e.n.i.s.e.s.

 

I believed in "god" but saw no light in it.

Ohhhhh. Ok. :huh: So you had partken of the fruit of the vine and decided to change your mind?

 

But for the record, while you obviously presumed that I was a Christian, I have never claimed to be a Christian but as an American, my oath is to the U.S. Constitution and my faith is in Truth.

 

Didn't you say that were once a Christian, if you believed in "god" as you put it, you mean you believed the man written of in the Gospel was God?

 

According to the Psychological Data Analysis information based on your responses were, believe it or not actually in the higher percentile, yet if I can one question for verification since you reponses indicate a propensity towards Thomas Paine. Are you active reader of Thomas Paine's writing, agree with those ideological persection?

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That was not a serious question but a response to: "Nope, nobody seeks the Truth unless the Spirit draws them"

 

 

Might not have been a serious question … but my response ... was a serious answer. Hope you figure it out before its too late to figure.

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Ohhhhh. Ok. :huh: So you had partken of the fruit of the vine and decided to change your mind?

 

But for the record, while you obviously presumed that I was a Christian, I have never claimed to be a Christian but as an American, my oath is to the U.S. Constitution and my faith is in Truth.

 

Didn't you say that were once a Christian, if you believed in "god" as you put it, you mean you believed the man written of in the Gospel was God?

 

According to the Psychological Data Analysis information based on your responses were, believe it or not actually in the higher percentile, yet if I can one question for verification since you reponses indicate a propensity towards Thomas Paine. Are you active reader of Thomas Paine's writing, agree with those ideological persection?

 

Scanning back through our discussions I realize that you never did claim to be a Christian. So I apologize for making that assumption but I hope you can see why I thought you were.

 

If you are genuinely interested in the part of my past that involves religious faith, I'll attempt to explain it. I was born into a Christian home and raised to believe in the Christian god. For the first 8 or 9 years of my life my family and I attended church every Sunday. And actually, believe it or not, I was sent to a Christian school until 7th grade. However, even though I believed in god it was never this unexplainable, undying faith that most Christians love to claim they have. It was more like that was what I was programed to believe. My parents told me it was all real and like most kids I believed them. Not their fault, that's what they were programmed to believe by their parents.

But looking back on it now, even though in those years I never questioned rather god existed, there were certain things I found very hard to accept. Most of the time I would ask a teacher (christian school, remember) I would usually get the typical answers that sometimes god's ways are to great for us to understand or to pray that god allows me to understand it. I had a lot of teacher that were really full of shit.

The older I got the more I questioned my religion. It got to the point where I was struggling to convince myself that god existed at all. I was so programmed with the faith (which of course included a massive punishment for the nonbeliever) that I was very upset with myself for losing my belief in god. I tried dropping the "organized religion" part of it and just be a sort of generic believer in god but eventually I had to stop BSing myself and for my mental sanity just admit that I didn't believe in Christianity and I didn't believe in god. Once I was able to do that I was able to accept it and over time became proud of being an atheist. In my programmed mind I thought I would be punished for losing my faith, but obviously that didn't happen. It was a great burden lifted off my shoulders and in many ways I am much happier as a non-believer. I try to do good things and help people because I want to be a good person and make the world better, not because god is looking over my shoulder and will send me to hell if I dont. It really gives you a new perspective on life.

So I hope maybe this gives a better, more detailed understanding of when I talk about my former faith. If you still have any questions about it feel free to ask.

 

To answer your question, no I am not a reader of Thomas Paine. I have, of course, heard of him but your question made me realize that I didn't really know much at all about him. So I did read a short online bio. If what I read is true, he fought for the rights of the common people and believed that societies needed to help the poor. I strongly agree. It was also apparent that he was willing to say things that weren't always popular and stand up for what was right, which I admire.

 

As far as religion goes the website said this about him, "During his imprisonment, Paine embarked on his third influential work, The Age of Reason (London and Boston, 1794-95). A deist manifesto to the core, Paine acknowledged his debt to Newton and declared that nature was the only form of divine revelation, for God had clearly established a uniform, immutable and eternal order throughout creation. Paine rejected Christianity, denied that the Bible was the revealed word of God, condemned many of the Old Testament stories as immoral and claimed that the Gospels were marred by discrepancies. There was nothing really that new in Paine's argument, but the bitterness of his attack on the Christian churches and his attempt to preach deism to the masses made him more enemies than before."

 

I like the rejection of Christianity, agree that the Bible is not the word of god, believe that many of the stories in it are immoral and just plain sick. The major difference though was that he was a deist and I'm an atheist.

 

Hey at least I learned something tonight.

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Might not have been a serious question … but my response ... was a serious answer. Hope you figure it out before its too late to figure.

Well thanks but I'm fine the way I am. I believe the Bible to be fictional and full of lies, created to control people and gain power and money. So if you're truely comming from a good place with this I appreciate it, but I won't be convinced to believe through the Bible.

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While an agnostic with a definite leaning towards "no god," it strikes me that it takes as much faith not to believe as to believe since both are scientific unknowns. It's believe what you need, not what you know.

 

Actually. There is knowledge involved. I know for a fact that God exists. I know that Jesus is who he said he was. I know it to be completely true.

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