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What countries have the best and most affordable health care? Answer the question pigs.

 

The United States of a America!

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A link is proof of nothing.

 

Try thinking for yourself. If you were really sick where would you rather be treated? America? Canada? France? Russia? Japan? Where?

 

I know.....Cuba!

 

LOL!

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Being available for free is not the only consideration. As a matter of fact, it's near the bottom of considerations for me. I want good, professional help and I want it in a timely manner. Anything beyond that is just gravy.

 

USofA for me too. There's a reason Canadians come here for medical treatment....Cubans do too if they can make it past their kind, giving, and gentle fascist totalitarian leaders.

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Being available for free is not the only consideration. As a matter of fact, it's near the bottom of considerations for me. I want good, professional help and I want it in a timely manner. Anything beyond that is just gravy.

 

USofA for me too. There's a reason Canadians come here for medical treatment....Cubans do too if they can make it past their kind, giving, and gentle fascist totalitarian leaders.

 

I've lived abroad a bit, Europe mostly. Health care is most certainly not free. Nor is it on par with what you receive in America on average.

 

The French for example were taxed at a rate of something like 40% when I was there.

 

American medical system is rampamt with greed from the top down. But the care is mostly very good.

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Being available for free is not the only consideration. As a matter of fact, it's near the bottom of considerations for me. I want good, professional help and I want it in a timely manner. Anything beyond that is just gravy.

 

USofA for me too. There's a reason Canadians come here for medical treatment....Cubans do too if they can make it past their kind, giving, and gentle fascist totalitarian leaders.

I have heard this often, that Canadians and others from countries with universal type health care come here because of the failure of their systems, but it seems the only proof of this so far is very unusual personal stories that usually cant be confirmed.

 

I am in the health insurance sales business and knowing what I know about the health care systems elsewhere, I fear for the future of my business, seeing we are simply middle men charging a fee for access, it is hard to understand why we should even exist...

 

I should add the quality of care in the US is second to none, if you can afford it.

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What countries have the best and most affordable health care? Answer the question pigs.

 

First of all, you're a bag of [excrement]. You're the reason children shouldn't be on the internet. Second of all, that would be the United States. Say what you want, but people fly here from all over the world to get medical care because we have the best treatment centers and can take care of them instead of allowing them to wait on government lists and die. If you've ever served in the military you'd immediately realize how government-mandated healthcare is a huge mistake.

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Mr. Washington is largely correct. I've seen a number of V.A. hospitals...and while some are well managed and provide quality care, many are sub-par. Take that any way you want, be it an example of government healthcare or lack of will to take care of veterans.

 

I will say this, though...Canada's healthcare system isn't bad. While it is rationed, per se (they limit the amount of times they will use a defibrilator to resuscitate you), it is not draconian. That being said, my question for liberalia in general is, are we willing to do what Canada does to fund this healthcare? I'm not talking about a more robust tax code on high earners....

 

Canada is a huge exporter of oil...this is a big reason that Canada, unlike many of the European universal healthcare systems, is able to provide uni healthcare with a moderately robust (lower than most of Europe's I believe, but higher than the U.S.) without doing the whole crushing-debt thing. Same holds true for Norway. They have a fantastic welfare state. Their taxes are high, but they don't have the crushing debt issue, either. It isn't because their taxes cover the costs of it, however. Norway is slings a lot of oil.

 

Greece, Spain, France, U.K., Portugal, etc,...have great welfare states, and high tax rates that are supposed to pay for it. But they don't. They need to borrow, despite those high tax rates, in order to have (had, lol) the system they want. But how did that work out?

 

Germany doesn't have the oil or the same level of debt...but they are a very productive economy. They are into the whole "work" and "production" thing.

 

Simply put, the states that have the universal healthcare have higher taxes...this isn't a problem for liberalia in general. But some of these nations have crushing debt they've incurred to pay for them. Others don't. The difference is, typically, oil. Norway and Canada and Venezuela have no problems drilling, pumping, and selling the black mother-earth-killing goo the environmentalists love to hate.

 

So which is it? High taxes are a given...but are liberals going to be ok with following the Canadian/Norwegian model *consistently*, which will mean U.S. drills in Alaska, expands N. Dakota fields, and go nuts in the gulf of mexico, and have Canada-esque healthcare with Canada-esque (low) debt?

 

Or do we follow the Greek/Italian/Portuguese route and just ignore the fact that high taxes *will not*, and in no case have the EVER be enough to, cover the cost of the system liberalia wants and accumulate debt until, well, we have austerity...

 

Oh wait...Obama just introduced a budget that had tax hikes AND cuts to Social Security....(austerity)....looks like we're already there.

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What countries have the best and most affordable health care? Answer the question pigs.

Divide the question. If you want the cheapest go to Cuba. If you want the best go to where others go when they have the money to go anywhere. USA

 

Did you ever hear you get what you pay for? If it is cheap why is it cheap. If it is expensive why is it expensive. Do not expect to get a Rolls Royce for the cost of a Mini.

 

Idiot. Read the papers and watch the news and notice people coming here for treatment. Where in the news are people going to another country when they have the money to go anywhere? YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION.!!

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this PBS FRONTLINE doc 'SICK AROUND THE WORLD' (albeit 5 years old, but not much is differant now) shows the healthcare systems of 5 developed nations. of course each has unique problems & not everything is perfect... but when ask of the citizens of each country. if they would change their medical care.. not one would take the US healthcare system over their 'socialized' medicine. this is a trailer & the full doc can be found via youtube or on the frontline website.

 

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I remember the words of the Our Framers. They wanted a healthy and prosperous UNITED STATES

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canada has a wonderful healthcare model. anyone can get care that needs it. if you are sick, you get care. that's it.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada

 

 

we should take a look at this and adapt our policy in kind.

this is true. but.. you may die waiting to be cared for. also ..canada has about 10% of our population making it lees unwieldy for thier system. Rich Canadians do not wait in canada to be treated. they come here.

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Dammit we need a Starfleet Standard of medical care for all countries.

 

You never see long waiting times or HMO in the future ever wonder why ??????

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As I recall, conservatives and republicans pushed for austerity on the victims of "austerity." Obama wanted to raise revenues by taxing the wealthiest institutions. That was (is) opposed because it would hurt "job creators" who haven't created jobs.

The basic goal of the ACA is to limit the costs of insurance, not medical care, and make it accessible to all.

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canada has a wonderful healthcare model. anyone can get care that needs it. if you are sick, you get care. that's it.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada

 

 

we should take a look at this and adapt our policy in kind.

No thanks. I don't like being made to wait months for an MRI. When I need an MRI I want it quickly. When I need knee surgery, I don't want to have to wait a year. The only way to get quick medical care in much of Canada is to either be an animal or win a lottery, literally. Many towns have lotteries to see a doctor. When (read, "if") they draw your name, you get to go see the doctor the next day. If they don't, well, best of luck to ya, sucker.

 

I have heard this often, that Canadians and others from countries with universal type health care come here because of the failure of their systems, but it seems the only proof of this so far is very unusual personal stories that usually cant be confirmed.

 

I am in the health insurance sales business and knowing what I know about the health care systems elsewhere, I fear for the future of my business, seeing we are simply middle men charging a fee for access, it is hard to understand why we should even exist...

 

I should add the quality of care in the US is second to none, if you can afford it.

You're wrong about Canada and partially right about the U.S. Even Canadian health care professionals will tell you that their system has sever flaws including the wait times and the bureaucratic mess that decides the levels of health care. As far as the U.S. being expensive, it is. But it is mostly because of laws that prevent competition. And how do you think those laws got passed?

Spend the day in a V.A. hospital waiting room.

Been there, done that. No thanks. I'll take my capitalist system of health care over the socialized medicine the Army provided any day.

this PBS FRONTLINE doc 'SICK AROUND THE WORLD' (albeit 5 years old, but not much is differant now) shows the healthcare systems of 5 developed nations. of course each has unique problems & not everything is perfect... but when ask of the citizens of each country. if they would change their medical care.. not one would take the US healthcare system over their 'socialized' medicine. this is a trailer & the full doc can be found via youtube or on the frontline website.

 

That's because they haven't lived in both worlds and don't realize they are paying for their substandard health care through their exorbitant tax structures that are quickly crumbling the economies of Western Europe. They act like it's free. Well, it isn't. I have lived outside the U.S. for 9 years on two different continents. My brother was born in a German hospital, my daughter in Korea, my wife in the Philippines, and my stepmother in Japan. Not a single one of them would take the health care system in the country of their birth over what we have here. What does that tell you?

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canada has a wonderful healthcare model. anyone can get care that needs it. if you are sick, you get care. that's it.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada

 

 

we should take a look at this and adapt our policy in kind.

You ignore the fact that while in certain areas it works great but most parts of Canada there is a long wait for seeing a specialist. So try again.

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Canadian healthcare is so good that a large number of Canadians come here to be treated because the wait time is several months or longer for specialists.

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A link is proof of nothing.

 

Try thinking for yourself. If you were really sick where would you rather be treated? America? Canada? France? Russia? Japan? Where?

 

I know.....Cuba!

 

LOL!

The real question is what country can you afford to be taken care of in

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Compairing systems in europe/canada/south amercia to a system that could someday be created in the united states isn't fair. The united states is a big country geographly, and populated densely. I would have to say that the nhs of Great Britain is an excllent example, its not without faults, but it works.... Sorta... Its a goverment program, unlike the system we are experementing with currently. But can someone explain to me how the aca will morph into a single payer system that I could support. One without a private insurance co.

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Being a UK passport holder, living in Europe as I do I am able to access health care in 27 I think, countries. As are US citizens that visit. Unfortunately without a really good insurance policy to cover the me visiting the US is unthinkable. The French system although not perfect dose seem to be state of the art as far as health care goes and ALL are welcome to use it as is there need. So I think the US has a log way to go and a lot to learn. For me no access to health care is unthinkable and is disrespectful to the very people that live and pay taxes there. I have visited the US with my expensive insurance policy in hand, when I asked the question why is the insurance TWICE that of any other country I was told "is simple any procedure in the US is TWICE THE COST"

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