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  1. ConfusedVoter

    Why is a wall immoral

    There is a large amount of labeling and passion that people on both sides have about this topic, but there does not seem to be much healthy debate to allow understanding on the topic. Some federal workers and federal contractors are now being impacted financially. How can people who are not close to issues in their daily life understand them better if we can't discuss them without doing things like call it immoral, calling the people who have a view to build the wall racist, calling it stupid....etc. There are likely talking points on each side of the topic that I could understand better with healthy discussion. Actually, the news agencies could play a role in helping people understand topics if they had not taken a position with a party. Today when we hear the political news 24/7 from news agencies that are agents of the party they side with. i don't see many news reports that present a balanced perspective to inform the people of the full story. I'm of the opinion that moving to 24/7 news was not a positive advancement. It rather provided a platform for endless hours of reporting on any topic.
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    Why is a wall immoral

    This is very interesting how positions have flipped...…. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkgXPtDR-xQ
  3. Sorry, but I must ask a stupid question. What does protecting our borders represent hate and racism. From what I hear from news clips of our politicians, everyone supports entry by following the legal process for entry. I'm not seeing news clips saying that people don't support legal entry through our entry points. I don't understand why a person having a point of view to follow the law (in this case enter legally) means that person is a racist and hates certain people. This is not logical. If they entry process prevented people from entry they you might draw that conclusion. For instance, I see on the news that we have a problem with people overstaying their visas. To me that does not equal hate for those people who overstay their visa but rather concern about people following the legal process.
  4. ConfusedVoter

    Why is a wall immoral

    Seems like this chat gives a lot of things to think about but no many people opposed the wall are engaged in a discussion on why they feel that way. It looks like only the one person who said that nobody said it was immoral, it was stupid and impeach trump. Oh well. I was looking for opinions/discussions from both points of view. Thank you to those who engaged in the discussion to help me see perspectives. Also, old Mack, the cartoon above really seems like what I observe from a far. My research on the internet shows a lot of folks supported the wall until Trump took a stand for it. That is sad that folks hate him so much that they oppose ideas that make sense just to oppose him. Parties have so much power, but i'm left feeling like the opposition to the wall is really about the next election. Thanks again for folks engaging in a chat with me on this topic.
  5. help me understand, why would a wall not be a good thing. 1) It seems like both sides (democrats and republicans) are in favor of legal immigration. (which I assumes happens at border entry point, not any random place along the border.) 2) I don't see why protecting our borders is wrong. 3) I'm thinking a wall would provide our public employees (border agents) more safety in how they do their job without a wall. Would it make it safer for them so that these public employees come home safe every day like every one of us wants to do when we go to work. It breaks my heart to hear the story of the border agent who was killed on Christmas day and he has a small child. 4) I hear in the news talk about border security roads, infrastructure..etc,. I heard this during the president's speech and Nancy Pelosi's speech. I'm wondering how things like electronic security will stop people from trying to bypass the boarder entry points. It seems that by not having the wall we will require agents to be put in harms way once an electronic device identifies a person crossing the border in a zone where there is no wall. I agree there is no perfect system and any can be defeated, but a wall seems like a good starting point and then put the electronics in place in addition to the wall to help resolve the small percentage of places where people are able to defeat the wall (I don't think a wall will be perfect, but it seems it would greatly slow down the rate of crossing at a location other than the designated border entry/exit points. What am I missing here? Why is there so much opposition to this wall. There is already a wall in other parts of the border that seems to work. It makes sense that it would work.
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    Why is a wall immoral

    Seems like the Democrat side would look good if they gave into the wall funding to get the country going again if it weren't for the fact that it was what trump wanted and a campaign promise. If what most of the folks on this forum say is remotely true, this isn't about the need for a wall and more really about using this topic to get or prevent Trump from getting re-elected in 2 years. Unless someone swings my opinion, I think I'll call my representatives in Congress and let them know I support the funding of the wall. This whole topic seems like it would be easier to understand if one were simply a democrat or republican then I could simply not overthink about it and rest assured that my party had the right perspective on every topic. Of course, that ain't gonna happen because the folks who are not solid democrats or republicans are the folks with the voting power to swing the vote. or at least that is what I here during election time.
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    Why is a wall immoral

    I don't know, that is way I am chatting on tis forum. Trump seemed willing to talk about DACA a while back. It seems to me, we can't fix our issues with immigration without a wall as a first step. Otherwise the immigration issue with undocumented or illegals keeps on growing. I have to say that the information you are providing me is fantastic. I was looking for a discussion on the topic and the links are great to help me see the perspective of why a wall is good. Lefty, why is a wall stupid??
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    Why is a wall immoral

    Both sides seem to be punishing the country...Right? Either side could chose to cooperate and start working towards a mutually agreeable solution. Isn't that what we elect our representatives to do. I don't see why we don't hold both sides accountable for our current situation. It seems a lot of people want a wall and a lot don't. This is where our elected representatives need to work together to find a solution.
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    Why is a wall immoral

    Why do you say a wall is stupid? I'm trying to really understand this. What would you suggest we do differently to protect our borders? I'm also thinking that both sides are punishing the country. One side says no budget WITHOUT a wall included and the other says no budget WITH wall funding included. Aren't both sides just as bull headed on this topic. I don't see how any private or public organization could lead with leaders who refuse to work together. If a person who is not tied to a political party looks at this, they see the chaos. Both sides are punishing the country.
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    Why is a wall immoral

    So here is where I am at so far. Wall is good Safer for agents protecting our borders if we have a wall. When I listen to both sides (elephant’s and donkey’s = how did either side choose these for their mascot), they both seem to say they want and agree with people entering the country legally. Right? Does either side say they support illegal immigration?
  11. ConfusedVoter

    Why is a wall immoral

    So I'm now thinking protecting our borders is good. Agree? I'm thinking a wall would provide our public employees (border agents) more safety in how they do their job without a wall. Would it make it safer for them so that these public employees come home safe every day like every one of us wants to do when we go to work. It breaks my heart to hear the story of the border agent who was killed on Christmas day and he has a small child. I hear all the news talk about border security roads, infrastructure..etc,. I heard this during the president's speech and Nancy Pelosi's speech. I'm wondering how things like electronic security will stop people from trying to bypass the boarder entry points. It seems that by not having the wall we will require agents to be put in harms way once an electronic device identifies a person crossing the border in a zone where there is no wall. I agree there is no perfect system and any can be defeated, but a wall seems like a good starting point and then put the electronics in place in addition to the wall to help resolve the small percentage of places where people are able to defeat the wall (I don't think a wall will be perfect, but it seems it would greatly slow down the rate of crossing at a location other than the designated border entry/exit points.
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    Why is a wall immoral

    So I'm thinking... why would someone say this (a wall is immoral). It must be related to concern for people needing help (healthcare, better living conditions, helping their families improve). We have so much in this country and I can see how people want to give. I've traveled around a few times to other countries and the ones I have gone through all controlled their boarders. I just don't see how protecting your boarders is wrong. We also have many people who give to other countries by donations, mission trips..etc. I can see this whole wall thing is very complex and way above my head.
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    Why is a wall immoral

    when I've been searching this on the internet I see Pelosi said this. I don't understand the context of this statement. There must be a perspective on this I don't understand for her to say this.
  14. I'm confused and trying to learn. Some people say the wall is immoral but I don't understand why they say this. Why is a wall immoral?
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