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  1. Spartan

    10 reasons I don't believe in God

    They never came to my door, but I've had atheists get in my face. I don't do such to other people and I require the same of them.
  2. Spartan

    10 reasons I don't believe in God

    So.... what? Are Mormons the only religion you have a problem with? I see people of all belief systems - including atheists - posting how their belief is the be-all and end all, and anyone who fails to convert is stupid or evil.
  3. Spartan

    10 reasons I don't believe in God

    And I don't believe in politics. So, what's your point? Okay, I don't know what you smoked today, but you are off in La-la land and have no idea who you're talking to. I have never espoused any belief remotely close to what you're babbling about.
  4. Spartan

    10 reasons I don't believe in God

    Did you even read what I posted? Based on your response, I find myself wondering if you were responding to someone else. I detest Trump and thought I'd made that clear in numerous posts. Where the Hell do you read me finding any merit to the man?? Again, who are you responding to??? I specifically said I DON'T believe in religion.
  5. Spartan

    10 reasons I don't believe in God

    The debate regarding religion is a wasted one. It's all about Faith but it is also about the culture one grows up in. I don't believe in religion; I think it is the height of human arrogance and hubris to think that one group or another has all the answers. Frankly, most religions strike me as more socioeconomic ideology than spiritual; maybe that's why I'm a political independent who refuses to accept the dictates of one political party over another; Republicans and Democrats often sound like religious fundamentalists when they yammer at each other over one given point or another. What I do see myself as is spiritual. I don't look down on people for having one given belief or another and I won't insult them or harp at them about their Faith or lack thereof. Hell, I've even come to think of atheism as just another religion; those who believe in it proselytize as passionately as any Jehovah's Witness. But, that said, I do believe in there being higher powers in this Universe. I believe it because things have happened in my life that were fundamental and profound enough to prove it to me beyond a shadow of a doubt, and that is good enough for me. Everyone's Faith is a little different, and we are all drawn to the pursuit of "Truth" that fits our worldview or which speaks to us on the most profound levels. The problems begin when we can't respect others for seeing the world differently than we do, and they seek to force us to conform to what they believe without regard to what we believe.
  6. Wow. You missed the point so thoroughly you've gone off the rails. I recognize the reference. It's just utterly irrelevant.
  7. That would depend upon the weapon system we're talking about.
  8. I can't anymore. The astonishing stupidity of people has become a source of real angst for me in the last few years. When I see American citizens walking around being interviewed and they have no idea who we fought the Revolutionary War against I just get sick to my stomach. We are a Constitutional Republic; not a democracy. The best way to describe the difference would be as to describe it as being about sovereignty; in a democracy sovereignty lies with the majority, while in a constitutional Republic like ours sovereignty lies with each citizen. Yes, we use many democratic processes at various levels of government, but there are a number of checks and balances in the system to prevent ourselves from being a true "democracy". When I was tasked with cleaning out my parents' house as their health was failing I found two American History Civics textbooks my father had kept. They were different editions of the same textbook; separated by about 30 years. One had been published in the early 20th Century and the other published just before the Second World War. In the earlier book there was an incredibly lavish and detailed discussion about the difference between a democracy and a Republic, and explaining why we were the latter and not the former, and there were a number of quotations from the Framers of the Constitution regarding the dangers of democracy. They had a VERY big "beef" with democracy, and the textbook went into great detail regarding their feelings on the subject. Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. - John Adams Democracies have been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their death. - James Madison Between a balanced republic and a democracy, the difference is like that between order and chaos. - John Marshall In the end, democracy in its purest form is little more than loosely organized mob rule, where everything - including the most basic and fundamental rights of the citizen - are subject to the whims of whatever group can summon up a 50.1% majority at a given moment. In our Republic everyone's rights - even that of the smallest minority there is, the individual citizen - are protected by the Constitution and the laws correct under its tenets. Sadly, the entirety of the discussion of the differences between a democracy and a Republic were expunged from the subsequent edition of the textbook; a disturbing evolution of education. I had set those books aside with the intention of preserving them; but somehow they disappeared during the events surrounding the disposition of my parents' estate, and I never was able to locate them again.
  9. It was the fools who swallowed the manipulations and lies of those moneyed interests through refusing to remain part of an "informed electorate"... and failed to understand that we are NOT a democracy nor should we be.
  10. Subversion of the Constitution, civil and constitutional rights, and the corruption of our very form of government. The partisan duopoly, manipulated by the monied elite has set us against each other so thoroughly that we fail to see the truth of what they are trying to do.
  11. I'm not a Republican, but.... "Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - John Adams. There is a reason why the Founders of this nation sought to create a Republic where the extremes of Democracy were blunted and diluted. The people of our Republic, sadly, through their own malfeasance and laziness, allowed themselves to accept the government's efforts to push us towards the organized mob rule of a more pure democracy, and this is what is creating the fissures and fractures now beginning to fundamentally dismantle our nation. The Founders recognized that there were things that needed to be protected from the extremes of democracy; things like the basic and fundamental human rights of the citizen. Basically, just because you have a supposed "majority" for your position doesn't mean you're right.
  12. Those short-sighted fools of both the left and right are infected with boundless ego; we see the truth of that on this forum daily. Each is so committed to their own "truth" that they can't see the disastrous path they have put us on.
  13. Trump is the symptom; not the problem.
  14. Yeah, you go ahead and tell yourself that. You aren't "normal" and until you own your own behavior you are nothing but part of the problem.
  15. I read through all the messages on this thread and I just shake my head. The simplistic views are just horrifying.... on BOTH sides. No one with a lick of sanity left wants a civil war. It's easy to strut and spout hyperbole and the ignorant throw around grand prognostications of how great it would be to "destroy" their opposition; but the reality of the horrors of such a conflict should make anyone quail. What nobody has spoken of yet is the complexities of the fissures and fractures in our society. A new American civil war would not be so simple as left versus right, Democrat versus Republican, or whatever. The raging of extremists of Left vs. Right might be the match that starts the conflagration, but before it had burned itself out you'd have seen every division flayed open and bare. I myself have become disgusted by the corruption of the partisan duopoly, and am equally enraged by the extremes of both left and right. I have many friends - most military and police veterans - who are of like mind. The leftists and the rightists would be stunned by how many hardened, trained, skilled veterans of combat both military and societal would be arrayed against them both in the event actual hostilities were to break out. The right and right are both wrong to think that any war would be a cakewalk for them. The right thinks they have all the guns and the left thinks the military would crush any resistance... and they are both wrong.