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jbander

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  1. jbander

    The defamation of socialism

    There is a definition of socialism I gave it to you , you went shopping for someone who agreed with what you think socialism is , that's not how it works.Your goofy to suggest that Chomsky is the last word on socialism. That a hoot. Here is the definition SOCIALISM 1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods 2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state 3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done. BY the way why would you even consider Chomsky's opinion considering he is a libertarian socialist a sympathizer of anarcho-syndocolism. He is the last person in the world to define socialism. What a hoot you are.
  2. jbander

    The defamation of socialism

    I really hate it when peoples argument are based on there made up definition of their subject matter. It gets old, It is dominate in the right but you can find it in the left as we see also.
  3. jbander

    The defamation of socialism

    And here is the main tenets of socialism, Sorry buddy Webster says your totally wrong Definition of socialism 1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods 2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state 3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
  4. jbander

    The defamation of socialism

    You can't make up your own definition of socialism , you saying that what? that the means of production isn't a tenet of socialism, You say that when that is the case that it is state capitalism , Your full of crap as simple as that, Here is the definition of socialism s of socialism, " Socialism is an economic and political system where the ways of making a living (factories, offices, etc.) are owned by the workers who run them and the people who depend on them, meaning the value made belongs to the people who make it, instead of a group of private owners. People who agree with this type of system are called socialists.[1] There are two ways socialists think of the way society can own the means of making wealth: either the state (government of the country) is used or worker-owned cooperatives are used. Another important belief is that management and sharing are supposed to be based on public interests. Socialists believe that everything in society is made by the cooperative efforts of the people/citizens. There are many kinds of socialism, so not one definition can apply to all of them; however, in all types, the workers own the means of production.[" Your make believe definition is as bad as the right wings make believe definition of socialism TO REPEAT MYSELF YOU DON'T GET TO HAVE YOUR OWN DEFINITION OF SOCIALISM, THERE ALREADY IS ONE
  5. jbander

    The defamation of socialism

    Nonsense. Total complete nonsense. Without the means of production owned by the states there is then no Socialism anywhere. The tenet without which there is no socialism is that tenet. You don't get your own private definition of socialism , hell your as bad as the right wing is in doing that crap.
  6. jbander

    The defamation of socialism

    I don't think your following, there is no degree of socialism , if there is no tenet of socialism then there is no socialism and the absolute fact is without the prime tenet being that The means of production being owned by the state and the sales of that production is also done by the state. If that isn't prevalent or if it doesn't even exist then there is no socialism. People you don't get your own definition of socialism, it has one already. You don't find the definition anywhere that can be trusted other then a encyclopedia by my experience , the rest have a ax to grind.
  7. jbander

    The defamation of socialism

    Nobody said that it has to be run by the government, I'm talking about socialism not Marxism , they are two different things. ,you said in socialism business isn't owned and run by the government , You said is is owned and run by the worker. and that it is never run by the government and that's is not correct at all. It's usually run by the government. In communism the government has nothing to do with anything because there is none.
  8. jbander

    The defamation of socialism

    The means of production in socialism can be owned and controlled by the state, as it also can be owned by the people , Also general when they say it's owned by the people ,they are generally saying through the state. Either way it is still socialism.
  9. jbander

    The defamation of socialism

    The idea that social democracy is communism isn't really the point . The point is that social democracy is as much socialism as the National Socialist German Workers' Party was and is. Generally the list of things from the right that in their mind makes it socialist , Like public education , medical supplement and welfare are nonsense. . Considering that these programs predate socialism by many years, some going back to Rome before the time of Christ.
  10. jbander

    The defamation of socialism

    First there is not one main tenet of socialism that any American wants or has ever wanted. Democrat have allowed a nonsense definition of socialism to be the norm.That definition is created in the mind of every right winger that is out there. In fact every single one of them has a different definition, one that they adjust to have it as insulting as possible to their goofy idea that Democrats are socialist. Give up the idea that somehow it can be in degrees of socialism. That's nonsense , it has it's definition and if it can't fit in the box with any main tenet it can't be socialism. But there is one tenet without which there is no socialism, it's the number one tenet on just about every list you look at , The means of production is owned by the state and the sale of that production is in the charge of the state. When was the last time in this country where someone came up to you and said, you know I think it would be a good idea if the government took over the ownership and the running of all business. It's never happened to me. Socialism was created as a solution for the hated capitalism.
  11. So if something is called something else even if it's the same thing it can't be called that thing? ´╗┐That is just stupid, I'm done with you you get the last word- Bye
  12. because your so stupid I have to explain it to you in very small words , IF something exists before socialism was created , then it can't be used as a example of socialism, it would be a example of who used it first . Example Communist Manifesto was written in 1848 our republic had a medical supplement program in 1799. And Rome before the time of Christ , idiot, had welfare program . If you can't understand this it's only because your so blatantly stupid . If that's the case I'll just get rid of you so I won't confuse you anymore then you already are. Toad man.
  13. All political party's lie but there is only one that can't exist without those lies and that is the right wing hate group they call a party.
  14. Unbelievable, this guy cuts and pastes his remarks . That's a loser for you.
  15. Ya sure, more made up bull s hit. Without lies and distortions your hate group you call a party couldn't or wouldn't exist , You people are getting old that's why this country has to dispose of you As s holes and they are as you watch.
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