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  1. I agree. I believe the polls are honest. My issue is with people who only like polls when they support their point of view. The same people who will quote polls saying Bernie is doing well will denounce the same polling organizations as lying corporate media when a poll says Bernie is doing poorly. I really hate this trend of declaring everything disagreeable as 'fake news'. When I first started coming to this site, you could get people to accept facts (or at least get them to present their own facts) even in NHB. Those same polls that show Bernie has a lead over Trump in the national popular vote show that he is behind Trump in battleground states and performing significantly worse than Biden. When I point this out, all I get from Bernie supporters is disbelief or a conspiracy theory. I suppose none of it matters since no one ever changes their mind. I think I'm getting burned out on politics. It's all a waste of time.
  2. These days, Trump seems to have made it acceptable to declare any data we don't like as 'fake news' or 'a myth'. Bernie's 40 years have certainly earned him many supporters. Polls say more Americans would rather have Bernie as President than Trump. Or, is that a corporate myth too?
  3. USMCA is a step forward, not back. My point is that, in the 1980's, you take dial-up modems and say 'thank you!' because they were good. You don't refuse them, and spend decades without a connection, just because you know gigabit LTE will be better. Take the good while you work on better. There will always be better. At some point, you have to freeze the design and send it to production, otherwise you never leave the drawing board and nothing gets accomplished. Bernie should support clear progress like the USMCA. But, that's not his personality. He's a revolutionary. He's an inspirational visionary. He will always be advocating for the next step; demanding something 'even better'; never satisfied. That, and his passion, helped him move the whole national debate. But, it doesn't mean he would be a good President. He doesn't operate in the realm of what is actually possible here and now. I'm not sure he even knows where it is.
  4. So far it looks like there were no casualties and no "salvo". The Iranians will no doubt seek to do us harm in the future, but that's no different from the past. Did the answers to your questions "make a difference"? I'm torn on this one. Part of me says Suleimani was the designated agent of his nation's government...not a stateless terrorist. Any issues we had with him should have been pressed in negotiations at a government to government level, not imposed by a missile. On the other hand, Presidents have tried that (without success) since Carter. Every year, more Americans die from Iranian actions. Sometimes, negotiation and diplomacy don't work. I expect there will be a short term improvement in Iran's behavior. There will be fewer attacks on Americans that can be traced back to them. But, in the long run, they are guaranteed to go for nukes at all costs. They were probably headed in that direction anyway, but now there is no doubt. Trump says it won't happen while he's President, but that's not something he can control. We couldn't stop North Korea and we can't stop Iran. I much preferred Obama's approach to Iran. Although it didn't work (yet), I think it was the only option with hope for eventual rapprochement. Trump may save a few lives in the short term, but at the cost of destroying that hope. Which do you give weight to? Lives today or good relations tomorrow?
  5. #5 Bernie opposes the USMCA The House of Representatives voted 385 to 41 in favor of the revised trade agreement with Mexico and Canada after Democrats won changes to labor, environment, enforcement, and pharmaceutical provisions. This agreement is now supported by organized labor unions...but not Bernie Sanders. Bernie won't support it because the positive changes don't go far enough. It's not perfect, so he's against it. I could go into the specifics of the bill but, given its overwhelming bipartisan support, that shouldn't be necessary. Instead, think about what a it would be like to have this man as President. Would he veto every bill that comes to him unless it's perfect? Imagine that a Democratic majority sends him a climate change bill...and he vetoes it because it doesn't go far enough. They could send him a major medicare expansion bill and he'd veto it because it doesn't eliminate private insurance. This unwillingness to compromise might work in a dictatorship, but not in a government with separation of powers and not in international agreements where other nations have their own agendas and constituencies. If Bernie insists on 'my way or nothing', he will mostly get nothing whether it's in negotiation with foreign governments or our own Congress. Voltaire: “The best is the enemy of the good.” Confucius: "Better a diamond with a flaw than a pebble without." Shakespeare: “Striving to better, oft we mar what's well.”
  6. They say he's spent over $200 million so far. During the football games yesterday, I must have seen the same Bloomberg commercial 20 times and we don't normally see campaign ads here this early. He doesn't have even a sliver of a chance at the Democratic nomination. I think he's just trying to lay the groundwork for a 3rd party run. By campaigning as a Democrat, he's trying to blur the public's memory of his Republican past.
  7. Not exactly. Some folks want to blow the house up instead of putting out the fire. I get your point, but I have so much more material! Maybe I should make each point a separate thread like some people do? Nah... I don't want to be like them. You are right. I will shut up.
  8. Yes, Biden will win my state's primary. Bloomberg will probably be on my ballot, but I don't know that for a fact. Normally, I don't go negative on a person (Bernie) like I have in this thread. I prefer to take things one issue at a time. There's actually a lot about him (sincerity, commitment) that I like. But, I got ticked off when someone started an attack thread on Biden. I don't have a 'plan', but I really like Yang's Freedom Dividend. If I get some time, I'll think about starting a thread with my thoughts on wealth redistribution. Generally, I'm for progressive tax rates and high inheritance taxes with the proceeds distributed like Yang has proposed. I have to admit that Biden is not my ideal candidate (he's been weak on China and he votes against gun owners most of the time, for examples). But, here is what comes to mind when I consider why I chose him. Experience. No candidate matches his depth and breadth of experience. In particular, his 8 years as VP have prepared him for the difficulties ahead. Better than any other candidate, he will be ready to actually have an administration up and running on day one. Bipartisanship. Many here see this as a weakness or fault, but I don't. Biden has shown that he can work with the Republicans if it means he can get something done for the people. I contrast that with Bernie who says he will get medicare for all and shut down private insurance....or nothing. He says he won't compromise no matter what. Which do you think is most likely? We'll get nothing. Capitalism. This nation was built by capitalism. It's the engine that produces wealth for socialist policies to share. If we want to continue to grow the economy so we can have even more to share in the future, we can't kill off the entrepreneurial capitalism in our economy. We need to slowly grow our social programs in tandem with the overall economy. Socialism has some catching up to do, but nothing near what Bernie is proposing. Biden want's to fix capitalism, not destroy it. Electability. Biden is by far the most likely to beat Trump. Are you willing to risk letting Trump appoint 4 more years of judges? Values. I'm going to lump a lot of different things here that are very important, but don't really set him apart from any of the other Democratic candidates. These are 'must have' values, but I need to mention them or someone will think I don't consider them important. Supports: racial equality, humane treatment of immigrants, LGBTQ rights, equal pay for women, reproductive rights, action on climate change, and criminal justice reform. There's no way I'm not leaving something out. I apologize in advance. I realize that he has come to some of these positions rather recently. That's not something I hold against him. I had to learn some of these values myself. Trade. He doesn't get a perfect score, but he has shown some support for free trade in the past. Bernie, on the other hand, seems even more protectionist than Trump. Expand ACA. Will build on and improve Obama's plan. Will get more and better healthcare for Americans.
  9. We could phase out coal twice as fast if we aren't simultaneously trying to phase out nuclear. I understand why it's needed. Wind and solar tend to be concentrated in regions far from where the power is consumed and our current power grid doesn't support that kind of inter-regional transfer. But, how does that "recoup 20% easy"? Long distance transmission of power results in additional 'leakage'. Nuclear power plants are actually located relatively close to where the power is used.
  10. #4 Bernie's policy on nuclear power He not only wants to prevent the construction of any new nuclear plants, he wants to shut down all those currently operating. He also calls climate change "an existential threat to the entire planet". If he really believes climate change is that serious, why would he want to shut down plants that provide almost 20% of our power without burning fossil fuels? Wind and solar are definitely the first choice. But, we still don't have an efficient way to store solar energy from day to night, let alone summer to winter. Wind has similar issues. So even when solar and wind are greatly expanded, we will be forced to rely on nuclear and carbon power to fill in the gaps for the foreseeable future. If Bernie phases out nuclear, we will have to make up the difference with carbon power. So, how serious does he really think climate change is? Would you rather get your power from a fossil fuel plant, or from nuclear?
  11. I owe some apologizing/explaining on that. That's not exactly what I said, but I certainly didn't express myself very well. I was trying to explain the thought process that a moderate would go through in making that decision. I was trying to convey that it's not a slam dunk decision and some people will decide to not vote or vote 3rd party. I did say that I would vote for Bernie if I believed his more extreme policies would be softened by Congress (not my exact words, but something to that effect). It wasn't meant to say "this is what I'm going to do". I could have written it better. Also, I live in a state that is absolutely not in play, no matter what. My state is one of the top 5 least competitive states in the nation. If my state's outcome is in doubt, someone is winning over 500 electoral votes, in which case my state wouldn't matter anyway. There is no scenario where my vote has any impact on the Presidential election. The futility of my personal voting situation tends to make me overly flippant when talking about who I'll vote for. I shouldn't do that. I don't spend a lot of time talking about the social issues because there's no disagreement (that I'm aware of) among any of the candidates on those subjects. Is there any candidate who doesn't support reproductive rights, the rights of gay couples, or protecting children at the border? My criticisms of Sanders (and to some extent Warren) are almost entirely with regard to their economic plans. That doesn't mean I value dollars over rights. I know that not everyone is doing okay, and I do care. I'm advocating for the candidates I think will do the most good for the most people. I want a strong safety net to help those who haven't prospered. What I don't agree with is blowing up the whole system because some people didn't succeed in it. The system needs tweaks and adjustments, not a wrecking ball. We can help people without adopting the whole 'capitalism is bad' doctrine. Capitalism is the engine that creates wealth we can redistribute to those in need. It's a valuable asset, not a plague. I'm not dismissing anyone's plight. We can definitely do better. I don't disagree with the goals, only with the means of achieving them. I'm not saying Bernie has bad intentions, I'm saying he's going about it the wrong way. It is my sincere belief that, if all of Bernie Sanders' proposals were adopted, the net effect for most Americans would be disastrous. I'm not demanding your support. I have no right to demand anything. I'm merely offering data and logic for you to consider. It is far more likely that Trump will have 4 more years (something you say will ruin your life) if we nominate Bernie Sanders. All the data and all the logic points to Bernie Sanders being less competitive than Joe Biden in the general election. Bernie's path to potential victory is narrow and risky. If Bernie gets the nomination and loses...? Is that better for you than a Biden victory? If you're worried about the Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade, why would you risk making Bernie Sanders the nominee? If you care about the rights of gay couples and the safety of children at the border, why would you risk giving Trump 4 more years?
  12. Bernie will definitely bring out some non-voters...on both sides. But, the Republicans need that extra motivation. The Democrat gets to run against Trump, so there's no lack of motivation on that side. On the other hand, if you match Trump against a boring Biden, many right-leaning voters won't be motivated enough to vote.
  13. Then we are doomed. On one end, there's the Progressive wing that won't vote for moderates. On the other end, there are the independents and swing voters who won't vote for a progressive socialist. In 2016, the Republicans were as divided as the Democrats. Cruz and Kasich and the never-Trump group fought Trump at least as hard as Bernie fought Hillary. This year, the Republicans are united.
  14. I really hate the term 'privileged', as it's used on the left today. The dictionary definition is: having special rights, advantages, or immunities. But, in practice it's often used to denigrate anyone who has 'more', regardless of how they got it. JFK was born privileged. I was not. I was the son of a truck driver. We went bankrupt when I was 8, a few months before my brother was born. I lived on a dirt road 5 miles from the nearest town (pop < 2k) until I was 18. In 1983, I finally got a real full-time job. I was supporting my wife and 5 year-old daughter on $10k per year ($25k in today's dollars). Where was our 'privilege'? In some ways, my life is different now. After four decades of hard work, saving, and good decisions, I'm probably a '5 percenter'. I still don't have a big house, drive a German car, go on cruises, buy jewelry, have a boat, go to the theater, or any of the other things that rich folks do. That's not how I grew up. I'll never be that person. But, I do have freedom now that I never had before. Financial freedom certainly is a privilege that I have earned. Does that make me bad? If I had ended up poor, you'd like me better? If I was stupid or unlucky or lazy, then I could be your ally? If I was a felon, I could be your ally, right? (Bernie wants voting rights for felons in prison). But, you don't trust me...why?
  15. I'm trying to explain why Trump still has a 42% job approval rating. Think about that for a second. More than 4 out of 10 Americans think the man is doing a good job. That's a scary thought when you consider it's higher than Obama's was at this point in his first term. Obama was reelected by a solid margin. It seems to me like many on Liberal Forum think they can nominate an extreme candidate and the extremism won't matter because they're running against Trump. I believe it does matter. In that previous post, I was trying to explain why it's not good enough to just nominate someone not named Trump. I don't have a hidden agenda here. I just want a normal President. Not a Donald Trump and not a progressive socialist or whatever it's called. Looking at all the candidates, I find Joe Biden the most 'normal' choice available. Even though many of the others have great ideas and impressive personal characteristics, and I would support them ahead of Trump, I keep coming back to Joe as the best (not perfect) choice. In this thread, I'm laying out why I didn't pick Bernie. I understand that your views are farther left than mine. If you decide to vote for Bernie because his views match yours, there's no shame in that. I'd just like for you to consider that Bernie is not the most electable candidate. If the Democrats select Bernie as their nominee, it could result in 4 more years of Trump. In this thread, I'm explaining why I think that is the case. On a more positive note... I came across this article in The New Republic. It's long, but I think it does an good job of laying out the rationale for Biden's candidacy.
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