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In Topic: Robert Reich's plan to fix the Democratic party

Today, 08:24 PM

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In Topic: Robert Reich's plan to fix the Democratic party

Today, 07:23 PM

 

There is nothing confusing about the term "Democratic Socialism".    We all know what it is.  You can call it Reformist Capitalism while all by yourself.  That's not a bad term but the term "Democratic Socialism" is more descriptive.  And certainly more universally used.

 

 

 

The way the history of the World unfolded leaves certain countries behind technologically.  The history of Japan shows that it is possible to rapidly catch up.  But the nations which are now struggling to feed their people would be in the same situation irrespective of the success of other countries.  The advanced nations of the world can give aid to the poor and starving.  And the best way to give aid is if the aid-givers are prosperous themselves.

 

As has been said and bears repeating:---  Pure Socialism or Communism causes kleptocracy from the top just like Capitalism.  And widespread poverty is the result in Communist countries.  The USSR's greatest success was flooding the Third World with Kalashnikov rifles.

 

Like pure Capitalism, pure Socialism is a race to the bottom.  What is needed is a hybrid with the best of both systems.

No, to the uninitiated, Dem-Soc is not understood and I dont think most Dem-Soc could define it.  Socialism, the real stuff, IS democratic inherently--that is, by consensus not majority--so to put the 2 terms together is redundant and confusing, plus it doesnt indicate that dem-soc is still fundamentally capitalism.  "Keynesian capitalism" is what scholars, like Chomsky, or socialists, call dem-soc.  And it always becomes completely obvious when the rubber meets the road that dem-soc are devoted bourgeoisie capitalists, just look at what Kshama Sawant has been doing, she's screwing up the actually socialist movements in Seattle.

 

No, so--comm has NO TOP, it is one class, the prolitariat.  You dont know what you are talking about because you dont understand socialism.  Read Marx.


In Topic: Robert Reich's plan to fix the Democratic party

Today, 07:14 PM

Also remember, communism, when first came out outside of books, succeeded in a country with the worst social preexisting conditions: czarist Russia. A regime so horrible that even looking back with what we know now, real communism still looks like a better solution.

 

And, for what i can remember, Russia was the only european country (well not really european.. say roughly european) were communism succeded, because, for as bad as the social situation could be in other countries, they were not so desperate to get to the point of switching to communism, which, in the end, came up as a pretty good thing.

 

Pretty much agree.  USSR didnt really do socialism/communism so well, though, because Lenin took over and more or less eradicated most the actual prolitariat socialist orgs. in favor of the State Party--that became a ruling class of its own.  

 

But, Czarist Russia was FEUDALISTIC as was China when Mao got going.  So yes, the transitions in those 2 countries to industrialism was faster than the world had ever seen.  

 

The US and defeated German Nazis actually invaded the USSR just after Hitler's defeat.  The US hated communism far more than Nazism, they mostly supported Hitler throughout is what it boils down to, except when he invaded England and France.

 

 Mao's movement succeded much better in terms of actual so-comm.  But there were  competing capitalist factions within Chinese politics at the time.  Mao was not a dictator.  Plus they had to fight off fascist WWII Japan than invaded them at the time.


In Topic: Robert Reich's plan to fix the Democratic party

Today, 06:59 PM

Black Power USA:  A Socialist Movement

 

The class divide in Black America was on sharp display during the urban rebellions of the 1960s that led to the formation of Black Power-era political formations, such as the Black Panther Party and the League of Revolutionary Black Workers.

The Black street rebellions erupted in Northern and Midwestern cities in the mid-1960s as the Southern civil rights movement reached its climax with the passage of federal civil rights and voting rights laws.

While sparked in most cases by police violence, the riots were also an expression of the political radicalization of the African American majority outside the South. 

 

...the electoral success of the California right laid the groundwork for the Watts rebellion. Voters passed a referendum in November 1964 that gutted the state's fair housing laws, making it clear to Black workers that the supposedly liberal state was entrenching racial segregation, even as it was outlawed in the South......Watts was an indication that popular Black consciousness had gone beyond the framework of the civil rights movement. When Martin Luther King and activist-entertainer Dick Gregory traveled there in the days following the riot, Black workers heckled King, who had criticized the looting.
According to historian Gerald Horne, "[A] remarkable consensus had developed, crossing even class and racial divides: Black leadership was too middle class and had lost touch with the masses.
The League of Revolutionary Black Workers was the era's most politically advanced Black union caucus--rank-and-file formations that had a significant impact on the labor movement. Concentrated in key sectors of unionized industry; confronted with employers that typically pushed them into the dirtiest, most dangerous jobs; and frustrated by union officials who didn't consistently defend their interests, militant African American workers also took up issues that concerned white workers--many of whom participated in Black-led wildcat strikes and other actions. This activity was central to the strike activity of the 1970s, which reached its highest level in decades.
AFTER THE assassination of Martin Luther King in 1968, the militancy of the Black working class went beyond the workplace into a direct confrontation with the state in the biggest civil unrest since the Civil War.

 

https://socialistwor...k-working-class


In Topic: Robert Reich's plan to fix the Democratic party

Today, 06:09 PM

How many of those deaths are in Europe or US? We're talking about an armed revolution in US, not in Ghana or Chad. Africa is a total differen story and has nothing to do with capitalism or comunism, they're just struggling to survive.

 

Look for the numbers in US.. i would be extremely surprised if it is something more than .000 something... And remember, you need a signifcant part of the population starving to get to that point, not some 3%...

Ok, try and follow along bud, first of all, there are starving people in the USA, I realize you dont see them.  Second, who do you think the USA and Euro live off the backs of for resources and labor?  When the 3rd World revolts, the 1st world falls.  What do you think has been happening in Africa, Latin America, Mid East?  They fighting back, dawg.  USA/Europe cant get their resources that easy anymore.  S America has by and large kicked out US control of economy in the last 10 yrs.  US/Europe cant throw their weight around as much anymore, and that wont return.  What do you think ISIS and Boko Harem are?

 

US Poverty, Hunger  http://www.worldhung...-poverty-facts/  And it can happen in America too, it damn near happened before and that's why FDR had to buy the working class off.