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#301 RollingRock

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Posted 06 April 2017 - 05:32 PM



It's not hypocritical at all.  Everybody deserves a defense.  Her actions show that she believes that, otherwise she would never have been a public defender (which is a trying and difficult job--and I"d know, I'm friends with an actual public defender who also happened to graduate from Yale).  You keep saying "She could have turned the job down" and ignore how hard that would have been for her to do, especially as a woman in the 1970's.

I didn't say it wouldn't be difficult.  Sometimes walking the walk results in tough choices.  So, I ask again, why didn't Hillary talk openly about representing this rapist on the campaign trail, defending how everyone deserves representation?   :huh:  Why the silence?

 

 

It's still the fault of you and people like you that Donald Trump is in office.

Actually, it's not.  

 

You want a 'good candidate', so you'll take the worse of two evils in hopes that next time they put up a 'good candidate' ignoring the fact that by losing-- the next time the left is more likely to shift more right to try to gain voters who... you know, actually vote.

I did vote.  The only sections of my ballot I left blank was the section where, in my opinion, there were no decent candidates.

 

Instead of shifting left in hopes of getting the votes of people who are okay with a Trump presidency more than a Hillary Presidency.  

Correction:  I am not "OK" with a Trump presidency OR a Hillary presidency.  That's why I didn't vote for either - because I don't want either one as president.  I'm not going to vote for a candidate I can't stand.   

 

 

Do you know why the Right never shifts to the left?  Because their voters stand behind them no matter what.  Until Republicans can't win simply by having an R next to their name, the left is going to continue shifting to the right, and getting into bed with corporations.  Because they can't count on the left coming out to support them.

I vote for the candidate I believe will do the best job for the working class in this country.  Those who focus on healthcare, education, wage disparity, and getting big money out of politics are the candidates who will gain my support.    


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#302 SpyCar

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Posted 06 April 2017 - 05:43 PM

It's not hypocritical at all.  Everybody deserves a defense.  Her actions show that she believes that, otherwise she would never have been a public defender (which is a trying and difficult job--and I"d know, I'm friends with an actual public defender who also happened to graduate from Yale).  You keep saying "She could have turned the job down" and ignore how hard that would have been for her to do, especially as a woman in the 1970's.

 

I don't care if you have shame or not.  It's still the fault of you and people like you that Donald Trump is in office.  You want a 'good candidate', so you'll take the worse of two evils in hopes that next time they put up a 'good candidate' ignoring the fact that by losing-- the next time the left is more likely to shift more right to try to gain voters who... you know, actually vote.  Instead of shifting left in hopes of getting the votes of people who are okay with a Trump presidency more than a Hillary Presidency.  Not to mention undoing all the progress that has been made by the Obama administration.  All so you can sit up there on your high horse and say "At least I didn't vote for Hillary!" while people lose their rights, their jobs, and their way of life. 

Do you know why the Right never shifts to the left?  Because their voters stand behind them no matter what.  Until Republicans can't win simply by having an R next to their name, the left is going to continue shifting to the right, and getting into bed with corporations.  Because they can't count on the left coming out to support them.

 

Unfortunately, American Leftists have adopted the same failed tactic of "Hitler First, Then Us" that failed when used by the far-Left in Weimar Germany.

 

Under this "strategy" things get so fucked up by a fascist like Hitler or Trump that the masses will swing Red.

 

It is a suicidal strategy, but it is what drives many on the Left who realize in their heart-of-hearts that Americans are not doing in for a Socialist revolution under ordinary circumstance, so their only hope for power is if society totally goes to hell. With the Reds poised as the alternatives.

 

It is mad. But there you have it.

 

Bill


 

See this is why we need to move more to the left and move on from the Hillary's of the party and continue with the Bernie's and the Elizabeth Warren's of the Party which will be the future of the party because we need to have politicians that fight for the people and not their donors

 

Bernie Sanders is not a member of the Democratic party and HRC would have accomplished more good for Americans.

 

Bill


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#303 zkyllonen8

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Posted 06 April 2017 - 05:47 PM

 

Unfortunately, American Leftists have adopted the same failed tactic of "Hitler First, Then Us" that failed when used by the far-Left in Weimar Germany.

 

Under this "strategy" things get so fucked up by a fascist like Hitler or Trump that the masses will swing Red.

 

It is a suicidal strategy, but it is what drives many on the Left who realize in their heart-of-hearts that Americans are not doing in for a Socialist revolution under ordinary circumstance, so their only hope for power is if society totally goes to hell. With the Reds poised as the alternatives.

 

It is mad. But there you have it.

 

Bill

 

So you are now comparing the Revolution of the democratic party to the Nazi's how in hell do these even compare in the slightest.

 

The reason that Trump won is because of the sheer ignorance of the democrats not to nominate the more popular candidate in Sanders, he actually had a real following not the backs of all of the biggest donors in this nation. Still don't understand the people who ran the DNC during the 2016 campaign, we would have a president right now that would be fighting for the people and not the donors and the Billionaires. Trump would have got destroyed by Bernie in the general because his policies were based on the opinions of the people not just the people who would pay the most to get what they want. 


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#304 SpyCar

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Posted 06 April 2017 - 06:11 PM

 

So you are now comparing the Revolution of the democratic party to the Nazi's how in hell do these even compare in the slightest.

 

The reason that Trump won is because of the sheer ignorance of the democrats not to nominate the more popular candidate in Sanders, he actually had a real following not the backs of all of the biggest donors in this nation. Still don't understand the people who ran the DNC during the 2016 campaign, we would have a president right now that would be fighting for the people and not the donors and the Billionaires. Trump would have got destroyed by Bernie in the general because his policies were based on the opinions of the people not just the people who would pay the most to get what they want. 

 

Berners, like Susan Sarandon, publically embraced the "Hitler First, Ten Us" strategy. It's not my invention.

 

The Democratic party did not have a revolution. A Leftist pretended to be a Democrat and ran on a nativist/populist message that proved to be in the spirit of the times for some people. But he wasn't the choice of most Democrats. Sanders lost by millions of votes. Most of his wins were in lily-white caucus states (and many of those in conservative regions) where a small group of highly motivated activists can have a big impact.

 

But he lost. Then Democrats adopted the arguably most liberal platform in history. The berner response? Booing civil rights heroes like Elijah Cummings at the convention and boycotting the vote in November. The berners knew what a Trump presidency would bring, and simply didn't care. Or rather they were thrilled as if he fucked things up bad enough it would enable the only small chance of the Socialist revolution they dreamed of having.

 

The German Communist party took exactly the same strategy in Weimar Germany where they attacked Social Democrats as plutocrats and the Nazis came to power. There were statues of these brilliant strategists in East Germany post-war.

 

Really awful role models.

 

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#305 Hex2

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Posted 06 April 2017 - 07:56 PM

 

Unfortunately, American Leftists have adopted the same failed tactic of "Hitler First, Then Us" that failed when used by the far-Left in Weimar Germany.

 

Under this "strategy" things get so fucked up by a fascist like Hitler or Trump that the masses will swing Red.

 

It is a suicidal strategy, but it is what drives many on the Left who realize in their heart-of-hearts that Americans are not doing in for a Socialist revolution under ordinary circumstance, so their only hope for power is if society totally goes to hell. With the Reds poised as the alternatives.

 

It is mad. But there you have it.

 

Bill


 

Bernie Sanders is not a member of the Democratic party and HRC would have accomplished more good for Americans.

 

Bill

 

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That's your opinion, It carry's as much weight as mine, no more, no less.

You damn sure Don't get a say in who I or anyone else votes for, you somehow don't seem to understand that.

 

I have my opinion and like RR I would not vote for either Hillary or Trump.

And my state was carried by Hillary so my vote would not have made any difference either way.

 

And every presidential election has more than two candidates, and every one of them has a winner.

Again, Hillary should have beaten the Orange one by 10+ points, she didn't.

The blame go to her and the DNC, not to me or RR or anyone else.

She didn't bring in the people, not our fault, can't blame us.

 

Next election you and those like you better find someone that includes all Americans not the 29% that are Dems


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#306 SpyCar

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 04:11 PM

 

Bill

That's your opinion, It carry's as much weight as mine, no more, no less.

You damn sure Don't get a say in who I or anyone else votes for, you somehow don't seem to understand that.

 

I have my opinion and like RR I would not vote for either Hillary or Trump.

And my state was carried by Hillary so my vote would not have made any difference either way.

 

And every presidential election has more than two candidates, and every one of them has a winner.

Again, Hillary should have beaten the Orange one by 10+ points, she didn't.

The blame go to her and the DNC, not to me or RR or anyone else.

She didn't bring in the people, not our fault, can't blame us.

 

Next election you and those like you better find someone that includes all Americans not the 29% that are Dems

 

HRC should have won by 10, and likely would have if people like yourselves had voted.

 

Since you didn't vote, instead of having a president that ran on a party platform that accepted and reflected almost every proposal put forward by Bernie Sanders, we got Donald Trump.

 

Nice going!

 

This was stunningly bad judgment.

 

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#307 RollingRock

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 05:12 PM

 

HRC should have won by 10, and likely would have if people like yourselves had voted.

 

Since you didn't vote, instead of having a president that ran on a party platform that accepted and reflected almost every proposal put forward by Bernie Sanders, we got Donald Trump.

 

Nice going!

 

This was stunningly bad judgment.

 

Bill

 

A candidate needs to make people want to vote for them.   Too many people felt there were more minuses than pluses with HRC, regardless of the opposition.

 

Yes, Hillary "claimed" to support Bernie's positions in the platform.  Problem is, millions didn't believe a word she said.  After all, she's flip-flopped on her positions in the past several times.  Most believed she was just "claiming" Bernie's stances to gain votes.  No one I know thought for a minute she'd carry through.  Trustworthiness (or lack thereof).  That's what lost her the election.

 

I've said it many times:  gone are the days when people are going to vote out of fear.  We need good candidates working for the voters, not out-of-touch plutocrats working for political status, wealthy donors, and/or Wall Street.  


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Posted 07 April 2017 - 06:24 PM

 

HRC should have won by 10, and likely would have if people like yourselves had voted.

 

Since you didn't vote, instead of having a president that ran on a party platform that accepted and reflected almost every proposal put forward by Bernie Sanders, we got Donald Trump.

 

Nice going!

 

This was stunningly bad judgment.

 

Bill

 

Since you've shown your ignorance once again, I will repeat.

 

I did vote for the best candidate on the ballot,

 

The bad judgement here belongs to those that pick and support bad candidates.

 

In this particular case it would be you, again.


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#309 Guiltywhite

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 08:58 AM

I hope she runs again. I'll vote for HRC every time. She had the election stolen from her I wish they would have did a full recount.
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